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BREAKING: NU lands 2025 big man Cade Bennerman

Basketball. School.

Potentially program defining is 100% right.

I don’t know exactly why this didn’t happen when we first made the tourney, but the program that Boo Buie built is becoming a reality.
I mean, the 2018 class, at the time, was that. Two four-stars (and a third lined up before Lathon's legal issues) was pretty monumental for NU at the time, they just didn't pan out as good as their rankings (and I'd argue Collins is a much better coach now + Lowery is great). Especially pre-portal whiffing on large amounts of players was just a backbreaker for a program like NU.
 
Basketball. School.

Potentially program defining is 100% right.

I don’t know exactly why this didn’t happen when we first made the tourney, but the program that Boo Buie built is becoming a reality.
It did. He got what looked to be a huge recruiting class with guys like Nance, Kopp and company. They did not fit together as well as people exepcted. CCC has found that he does better with junk yard dogs that believe in each other and will bust their butts. . That is what he had the first time and it worked. And that is what he has gone back to leading to two more appearances and that is what he appears to be continuing with this group
 
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What a great recruiting class. I still think we have one more spot to be held for a big man transfer. Hunger will step into MN role but this young man does not sound ready to step into Hungers spot. So adding a grad transfer big man should seal the roster next year.

Btw, any truth that ncaa expanding MBB schollie limit to 15?
 
It did. He got what looked to be a huge recruiting class with guys like Nance, Kopp and company. They did not fit together as well as people exepcted. CCC has found that he does better with junk yard dogs that believe in each other and will bust their butts. . That is what he had the first time and it worked. And that is what he has gone back to leading to two more appearances and that is what he appears to be continuing with this group
The biggest recruiting issue for Collins post-tourney was a failure to recruit guards. He recruited Ash, Brown, Gaines and Greer over a 4-year period. Hard to consistently win if those are your lead guard options. Those guys were supposed to be the bridge from McIntosh to Buie.
 
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I will cherish the day, if it ever comes, that we can all just assume it’s easy to get the recruits that we want. If anyone thinks Collins “failed” by not being able to recruit better guys, then I would like to wholeheartedly disagree.
 
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I will cherish the day, if it ever comes, that we can all just assume it’s easy to get the recruits that we want. If anyone thinks Collins “failed” by not being able to recruit better guys, then I would like to wholeheartedly disagree.
I think the 2016 class was a killer for Collins: Rapolas Ivanauskas, Barret Benson and Isiah Brown. Rap suffered season-ending injuries two years in a row and transferred to Colgate. That was just bad luck. Benson never fulfilled his promise and was a bench player who transferred to SIU when he was expected to finally elevate to a starting job. Brown played two years of limited minutes and then transferred to GCU. Those were the guys who were expected to take over and carry the torch after the 2014 class (BMac, Vic, Scottie, et al). There were a few other misses, too, but essentially losing a whole class like that was crippling for a development program like NU. It's not necessarily because Collins couldn't recruit "better guys" -- Rap and Benson were nationally ranked four-stars -- but the bottom line is that none of them panned out.
 
I really thought Benson was going to be a great.

We have to remember that for all of their pluses and minuses, guys like Miller Kopp, Robbie Beran, and Ivanauskas were all considered huge gets for NU. They were at best mediocre starters who occasionally contributed, but none of them were game-changers. On the other hand, NU's all-time greatest game-changer was likely an afterthought when he signed (if you knew Boo would be great before he ever stepped on the court, I tip my hat - I just know people in general were more excited by Kopp coming to NU than Boo).

Is it all a crapshoot? Other than the very very best like Zion Williamson or Anthony Davis (and I guess this year, Cooper Flagg), there are always going to be misses. Just need more hits than misses. If we get four out of these new five who even *meets* expectations, that will be an incredible ratio. And if some of them exceed expectations, we're talking NCAAs.

I'm excited about Bennerman, even as I know he's a toolsy guy who we have to project a few years down the road, rather than having Patrick Ewing joining our frontcourt next year. Will a mature Bennerman be Nicholson/Pardon? Will he be Hunger? Will he be Chier Ajou? Will he be like nothing we've ever seen? No idea yet, but I'm excited to find out.
 
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I really thought Benson was going to be a great.

We have to remember that for all of their pluses and minuses, guys like Miller Kopp, Robbie Beran, and Ivanauskas were all considered huge gets for NU. They were at best mediocre starters who occasionally contributed, but none of them were game-changers. On the other hand, NU's all-time greatest game-changer was likely an afterthought when he signed (if you knew Boo would be great before he ever stepped on the court, I tip my hat - I just know people in general were more excited by Kopp coming to NU than Boo).

Is it all a crapshoot? Other than the very very best like Zion Williamson or Anthony Davis (and I guess this year, Cooper Flagg), there are always going to be misses. Just need more hits than misses. If we get four out of these new five who even *meets* expectations, that will be an incredible ratio. And if some of them exceed expectations, we're talking NCAAs.

I'm excited about Bennerman, even as I know he's a toolsy guy who we have to project a few years down the road, rather than having Patrick Ewing joining our frontcourt next year. Will a mature Bennerman be Nicholson/Pardon? Will he be Hunger? Will he be Chier Ajou? Will he be like nothing we've ever seen? No idea yet, but I'm excited to find out.
You're right. There are always going to be misses. I point to the 2016 class because all three of them were misses. It's tough when you miss on a whole class like that.
 
You're right. There are always going to be misses. I point to the 2016 class because all three of them were misses. It's tough when you miss on a whole class like that.
And then the year after was just Anthony Gaines. Back-to-back years.
 
Collins had plenty of mishaps and disappointments in recruiting and player development after that first class.
So much so that people wrote a gospel proclaiming that "admissions" was preventing us from competing!

And the portal required undergrads to sit out a year, so quickly solving roster problems was damned near impossible.
Thankfully Collins mindset changed and we stopped chasing "stars" and focused on recruiting winners.

After Gragg wrecked the 2023 class, things have been much better.
 
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Collins had plenty of mishaps and disappointments in recruiting and player development after that first class.
So much so that people wrote a gospel proclaiming that "admissions" was preventing us from competing!

And the portal required undergrads to sit out a year, so quickly solving roster problems was damned near impossible.
Thankfully Collins mindset changed and we stopped chasing "stars" and focused on recruiting winners.

After Gragg wrecked the 2023 class, things have been much better.
The point about admissions is that it limits our pool so recruiting is tougher. We can succeed - of course, Collins proved this. But it is a known factor in preventing us from succeeding relative to other schools. In other words, we are less likely to succeed as often as others without these limitations. After 80+ years of this - are we good?

“Focused on recruiting winners”. You just managed to insult virtually all of our former players. And where is that “winners” label posted in a player’s recruiting profile? Come on, man - please watch what you say and who you might denigrate while trying to futilely and continuously prove to us that somehow Collins used to be an idiot and now is a genius.
 
The point about admissions is that it limits our pool so recruiting is tougher. We can succeed - of course, Collins proved this. But it is a known factor in preventing us from succeeding relative to other schools. In other words, we are less likely to succeed as often as others without these limitations. After 80+ years of this - are we good?

“Focused on recruiting winners”. You just managed to insult virtually all of our former players. And where is that “winners” label posted in a player’s recruiting profile? Come on, man - please watch what you say and who you might denigrate while trying to futilely and continuously prove to us that somehow Collins used to be an idiot and now is a genius.

You always go to extremes when it comes to NU basketball, specifically regarding the head coach.

If I call some guys "winners" that doesn't in any human way mean that I am calling all the other guys "losers." And yet you are pretending that is the case and using your incorrect assertion to chastise me. What is the point of that? It is nonsense. "Please watch what you say" - GIVE ME A BREAK. I'm complimenting our current guys and our coach.

Collins has modified his approach to recruiting. That seems obvious. If it happens to better align with what some of us have said for years, well thats okay, right? This issue has been litigated and resolved.

The fact is that people around here used to say we couldn't compete because of admissions. In many cases this was to make excuses for our bad years under Chris Collins. Unlike many, I said repeatedly that NU had advantages over nearly every other school and if we played to those advantages instead of chasing the highest profile guys, we could be successful.

Thankfully, Collins has proven that assertion correct. And he has publicly stated that he re-thought his entire approach to NU basketball when he hired Lowery in the wake of Gragg's ultimatum, so its pretty tough to debate that, right?
 
You always go to extremes when it comes to NU basketball, specifically regarding the head coach.

If I call some guys "winners" that doesn't in any human way mean that I am calling all the other guys "losers." And yet you are pretending that is the case and using your incorrect assertion to chastise me. What is the point of that? It is nonsense. "Please watch what you say" - GIVE ME A BREAK. I'm complimenting our current guys and our coach.

Collins has modified his approach to recruiting. That seems obvious. If it happens to better align with what some of us have said for years, well thats okay, right? This issue has been litigated and resolved.

The fact is that people around here used to say we couldn't compete because of admissions. In many cases this was to make excuses for our bad years under Chris Collins. Unlike many, I said repeatedly that NU had advantages over nearly every other school and if we played to those advantages instead of chasing the highest profile guys, we could be successful.

Thankfully, Collins has proven that assertion correct. And he has publicly stated that he re-thought his entire approach to NU basketball when he hired Lowery in the wake of Gragg's ultimatum, so its pretty tough to debate that, right?
It was wrong to say he recruits winners recently - just no doubt about that and not an “extreme” position for me to take.

You still don’t acknowledge that our recruiting limitations (academics) vastly outweigh advantages that most high-level players do not value (academics). Oh well.

Collins always emphasized defense first - always. Lowery was a great hire by him: Borovich was not getting it done. Collins adjusted like any good coach.
 
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I think the 2016 class was a killer for Collins: Rapolas Ivanauskas, Barret Benson and Isiah Brown. Rap suffered season-ending injuries two years in a row and transferred to Colgate. That was just bad luck. Benson never fulfilled his promise and was a bench player who transferred to SIU when he was expected to finally elevate to a starting job. Brown played two years of limited minutes and then transferred to GCU. Those were the guys who were expected to take over and carry the torch after the 2014 class (BMac, Vic, Scottie, et al). There were a few other misses, too, but essentially losing a whole class like that was crippling for a development program like NU. It's not necessarily because Collins couldn't recruit "better guys" -- Rap and Benson were nationally ranked four-stars -- but the bottom line is that none of them panned out.
Playing at Allstate definitely didn’t help.

Separately - why is the class ranked so low? There are two state #1 players and three in the top 200 nationally apparently, and the class is in the 50s?
 
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The biggest recruiting issue for Collins post-tourney was a failure to recruit guards. He recruited Ash, Brown, Gaines and Greer over a 4-year period. Hard to consistently win if those are your lead guard options. Those guys were supposed to be the bridge from McIntosh to Buie.

Which coincided with CC's then infatuation with stretch forwards, who, as it turned out, weren't particularly good at much else and for that matter, even at shooting the 3 (certainly not at the level they needed to in order to make up for deficiencies elsewhere).

CC has gone back to the blueprint of his first tourney team - a lineup of scrappers with an assortment of varying skills, but with the emphasis on D.

What's amazing about the current roster is that both Simmons and Roper (from the 2021 class) transferred out and have yet to get significant contribution from the '23 class.

Hitting on both Martinelli and Hunger really helped to make up for that, along with Berry and Big Matt still being eligible.

This team has the potential to be like the 1st tourney team, with scoring spread out and not so focused on one star player.
 
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Which coincided with CC's then infatuation with stretch forwards, who, as it turned out, weren't particularly good at much else and for that matter, even at shooting the 3 (certainly not at the level they needed to in order to make up for deficiencies elsewhere).

CC has gone back to the blueprint of his first tourney team - a lineup of scrappers with an assortment of varying skills, but with the emphasis on D.

What's amazing about the current roster is that both Simmons and Roper (from the 2021 class) transferred out and have yet to get significant contribution from the '23 class.

Hitting on both Martinelli and Hunger really helped to make up for that, along with Berry and Big Matt still being eligible.

This team has the potential to be like the 1st tourney team, with scoring spread out and not so focused on one star player.
Y’all love battling w CCC through his SD burner account
 
Which coincided with CC's then infatuation with stretch forwards, who, as it turned out, weren't particularly good at much else and for that matter, even at shooting the 3 (certainly not at the level they needed to in order to make up for deficiencies elsewhere).

CC has gone back to the blueprint of his first tourney team - a lineup of scrappers with an assortment of varying skills, but with the emphasis on D.

What's amazing about the current roster is that both Simmons and Roper (from the 2021 class) transferred out and have yet to get significant contribution from the '23 class.

Hitting on both Martinelli and Hunger really helped to make up for that, along with Berry and Big Matt still being eligible.

This team has the potential to be like the 1st tourney team, with scoring spread out and not so focused on one star player.
Since I took issue with PWB’s “winners” comment, I must also take issue with “scrappers”. Just because Nance was not “twitchy” doesn’t mean he wasn’t good or tried really hard at defense. I’ll grant you Kopp, who was certainly an overall disappointment in some ways (defense for sure) though the guy was/is actively getting some pro chances. Beran was the definition of scrappy! Beran also took us to the dance and Nance was a few clutch missed free throws away. Not buying these manufactured arguments. You generally take the best available and try to get complementary skills.
 
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Sad to see - he's a class act and always seemed to bring good energy when he was at NU.
 
The program has so much more momentum than it did after the 2016 team.
  • We have a legit defensive tradition and a system everyone buys into and works their butt off to execute (Huge Chris Lowery contribution here)
  • We have a work ethic that's not just imposed by the coaches - these guys are a bunch of gym rats. Look at Mart and Barny for example. They live for hoops
  • We have a great home court w/no Allstate
  • We have a lot of guys with talent who 'bring it' in practice everyday - not just 4-5 good ones with the rest being relatively less talented.
  • Freshmen now come into the program seeing all that talent, work ethic, and intensity. They won't waltz into a strarting role and that puts positive pressure on them to develop their game. Feels like the intensity around this team is much higher than it has ever been
  • the teamwork seems better - being unselfish seems like a hard, clear rule now - one our recruits opt into before they even commit.
  • The Coaching staff seem to have a system and work together well
  • CC has grown into a more mature head coach, and learned some lessons
  • The student section shows up on our home court - every time
  • Opposing teams now see our arena as a hard place to play
Lots of moving pieces, in a good way - all of which are self-reinforcing. By the way this is OT but we are gonna smoke Purdue this year.
 
Playing at Allstate definitely didn’t help.

Separately - why is the class ranked so low? There are two state #1 players and three in the top 200 nationally apparently, and the class is in the 50s?
As I explained in the story, Rivals has only ranked two of Northwestern's five commits -- West and Gill, who are both three-stars. That's why the class is in the 50s in the team rankings. Rivals doesn't have a national basketball analyst right now, so they are WAY behind in ranking players.
 
As I explained in the story, Rivals has only ranked two of Northwestern's five commits -- West and Gill, who are both three-stars. That's why the class is in the 50s in the team rankings. Rivals doesn't have a national basketball analyst right now, so they are WAY behind in ranking players.
It's possible that we have overrated Bennerman, Kropp, and Singleton, but if they have no ratings at all, of course the ranking is going to suck. I like the 247 ratings much better (#10 when I looked yesterday).
 
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Katatonic and Hkjb:

Your comments are insightful and fair. Enjoyed reading them.
It helps with my sanity.

Winners are guys who play hard, work hard and lead by example. They put in extra time trying to be the best they can be. They rejoice when teammates do well. They don't care as much about their stat line as they care about winning. They don't seek to demean their opponent - just defeat him.

A lot of good players do not fit that mold. Ty Berry, Nick Martinelli and Brooks Barnhizer definitely fit that mold. Other guys are not as committed or intense.

This year's team looks to have a very tight core. That tends to lead to success, especially in tight games.

Its a natural byproduct of identifying and recruiting "winners."
 
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Huge get over top competition.

Really good to see the NU hoops recruiters close top recruits that can go anywhere.

Who's next?

Welcome, CB!
 
I think this season will be the next big referendum on Collins as coach. How will the team do without Boo? Can this crew can get NU into top five or six in the B1G this year and make the dance?

Things look great right now and I get the enthusiasm itt, but we can all also agree that Lehigh wasn't much of a test. I'm very optimistic, but I almost always am at this point in the season.
 
I think this season will be the next big referendum on Collins as coach. How will the team do without Boo? Can this crew can get NU into top five or six in the B1G this year and make the dance?

Things look great right now and I get the enthusiasm itt, but we can all also agree that Lehigh wasn't much of a test. I'm very optimistic, but I almost always am at this point in the season.
If he can make the top 6 and dance again this year we need to even further elevate our perspective of him, because that would be deeply incredible, to lose a player of Buie’s caliber and immediately reload.
 
If he can make the top 6 and dance again this year we need to even further elevate our perspective of him, because that would be deeply incredible, to lose a player of Buie’s caliber and immediately reload.
At this stage, I am optimistic that top 6 is achievable and that seems to default to a dance card absent any other info. I think a lot is riding on Brooks' recovery. We have a lot of talent and motivation on the court, but I'm not sure we have a nightly leader driving the bus. Windham might become that guy for us with some experience under his belt. Leach will try to be that guy this year. But I think we need Brooks' steady hand to really succeed.

At the same time, the longtime wildcat fan in me knows we aren't that far from multiple seasons of ten game losing streaks and this year we're starting with three seniors recovering from injuries.
 
I think this season will be the next big referendum on Collins as coach. How will the team do without Boo? Can this crew can get NU into top five or six in the B1G this year and make the dance?

Things look great right now and I get the enthusiasm itt, but we can all also agree that Lehigh wasn't much of a test. I'm very optimistic, but I almost always am at this point in the season.
You need a “next referendum” on Collins at this point, knowing what he just did on 2025 recruiting as well?
 
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At this stage, I am optimistic that top 6 is achievable and that seems to default to a dance card absent any other info. I think a lot is riding on Brooks' recovery. We have a lot of talent and motivation on the court, but I'm not sure we have a nightly leader driving the bus. Windham might become that guy for us with some experience under his belt. Leach will try to be that guy this year. But I think we need Brooks' steady hand to really succeed.

At the same time, the longtime wildcat fan in me knows we aren't that far from multiple seasons of ten game losing streaks and this year we're starting with three seniors recovering from injuries.
There's no way NU can lose a player like Buie AND be without its second best player, a returning all-conference performer, and have a strong season, that's for sure.
 
Thankfully Collins mindset changed and we stopped chasing "stars" and focused on recruiting winners.

After Gragg wrecked the 2023 class, things have been much better.
(All the losing also contributed to nobody being so interested in playing at NU also.)


I’ve been, errr, distracted for the past few days so I missed the news. Anyway, this is a super exciting get.



There is no doubt that the recruiting focus has changed over time. Post-tourney, I can't remember the names, but there were upper-tier misses. (PBJ, of course. And Max from MSU.) And then there were the hits, who weren't actually big hits.

Nance, Beran, Kopp were all highly-rated. All had degrees of success at NU. But they were decidedly not hard-nosed, or gamers, or junkyard dogs. They were four-stars on length and, in one case, name recognition. (Benson fits this description as well. Tall and nice and great hair and never not-once looked like a star. Kopp and Nance of course had flashes.)

Boo was not highly-touted, but he stood out as a gamer. A pure scouting victory. Barny didn't have enough of something or other to get the in-state offers, but he's a baller. Audige, Martinelli, Hunger have some natural hard-nosedness. And, frankly, Berry and Nicholson have developed it through osmosis.

It’s easy to like the grit from the newcomers that saw the court on Monday. They’re following the Boo-Barny-Audige-Martinelli pattern. And, from what we’ve seen, this group of commitments has a lot of those characteristics as well.

But also, none of these Fab Five are sure things. After the top 10 or 20, it’s a crapshoot. And these guys are all decidedly out of the top 20.

I’ll be really excited if we see some state champs and state finalists out of this crew. I’ll be excited if they start getting Mr. Basketball recognition and all-star game invites.*

And, frankly, the fact that this staff wanted these guys is enough for me to have confidence that a chunk will work out. Great athletes, great talents, but nobody who comes in as an expected starter or guaranteed star. Good, hard-nosed, will be given a chance to be hard-nosed and great.

Go Cats Go Cats Go.

Welcome, Cade. We’re excited to see you bang in some threes and swat some shots hopefully bring some BrennerBombs to the court as well.



*In my way-too-long time on this site, the two basketball recruits that I was most excited about were Shurna and McIntosh. We started seeing Illinois fans pissed that Shurna hadn’t gotten the offer as he blew up his senior year. And Mc just kept putting up double-digit assists on his way to a state title. Gimme some of that with this class.

Go Cats Go Cats Go!
 
(All the losing also contributed to nobody being so interested in playing at NU also.)


I’ve been, errr, distracted for the past few days so I missed the news. Anyway, this is a super exciting get.



There is no doubt that the recruiting focus has changed over time. Post-tourney, I can't remember the names, but there were upper-tier misses. (PBJ, of course. And Max from MSU.) And then there were the hits, who weren't actually big hits.

Nance, Beran, Kopp were all highly-rated. All had degrees of success at NU. But they were decidedly not hard-nosed, or gamers, or junkyard dogs. They were four-stars on length and, in one case, name recognition. (Benson fits this description as well. Tall and nice and great hair and never not-once looked like a star. Kopp and Nance of course had flashes.)

Boo was not highly-touted, but he stood out as a gamer. A pure scouting victory. Barny didn't have enough of something or other to get the in-state offers, but he's a baller. Audige, Martinelli, Hunger have some natural hard-nosedness. And, frankly, Berry and Nicholson have developed it through osmosis.

It’s easy to like the grit from the newcomers that saw the court on Monday. They’re following the Boo-Barny-Audige-Martinelli pattern. And, from what we’ve seen, this group of commitments has a lot of those characteristics as well.

But also, none of these Fab Five are sure things. After the top 10 or 20, it’s a crapshoot. And these guys are all decidedly out of the top 20.

I’ll be really excited if we see some state champs and state finalists out of this crew. I’ll be excited if they start getting Mr. Basketball recognition and all-star game invites.*

And, frankly, the fact that this staff wanted these guys is enough for me to have confidence that a chunk will work out. Great athletes, great talents, but nobody who comes in as an expected starter or guaranteed star. Good, hard-nosed, will be given a chance to be hard-nosed and great.

Go Cats Go Cats Go.

Welcome, Cade. We’re excited to see you bang in some threes and swat some shots hopefully bring some BrennerBombs to the court as well.



*In my way-too-long time on this site, the two basketball recruits that I was most excited about were Shurna and McIntosh. We started seeing Illinois fans pissed that Shurna hadn’t gotten the offer as he blew up his senior year. And Mc just kept putting up double-digit assists on his way to a state title. Gimme some of that with this class.

Go Cats Go Cats Go!
Great point on junkyard dogs/being hardnosed. Feels like we're building an ethos around that - and pollsters who underestimate are just fueling it. (we should thank them). I think Lowery has been at least a partial influence in the emergence of that attitude, and its easier to develop that when we have a lot of talent/bodies to throw at opponents - rather than 3-4 guys we over-rely on, as in the past.

Kopp and Nance were good examples of not being hardnosed in my view. Kopp acted like he was and talked a good game, but it was mostly talk. Nance, not so much. Having them out of the program probably helped us assert that mindset - with credit to Boo for leading the charge.

Watching KJ go after it in the Lehigh game was pure joy. Downright cocky, not daunted by the speed of the college game, and not backing down for anything in his action at this level. Really made his presence felt.
 
Katatonic and Hkjb:

Your comments are insightful and fair. Enjoyed reading them.
It helps with my sanity.

Winners are guys who play hard, work hard and lead by example. They put in extra time trying to be the best they can be. They rejoice when teammates do well. They don't care as much about their stat line as they care about winning. They don't seek to demean their opponent - just defeat him.

A lot of good players do not fit that mold. Ty Berry, Nick Martinelli and Brooks Barnhizer definitely fit that mold. Other guys are not as committed or intense.

This year's team looks to have a very tight core. That tends to lead to success, especially in tight games.

Its a natural byproduct of identifying and recruiting "winners."
Thanks - you make great points which help my sanity as well. And, nice quotes. Hadn't heard the Asimov one.
 
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