Collins to Villanova rumors

[Vassar69]

what is our NIL situation? somehow it seems other schools have alot more money than we do, however somehow we have brand new very expensive facilities, costlier than at other schools.

My guess would be vain donors are giving money to things they can put their name on instead of NIL collectives.

I do not know because NIL collectives aren’t publicly reported anywhere. So it’s conjecture on how much NU has (or doesn’t have). But the fact that football saw a many key starters leave for paydays at other schools would lead one to assume NU couldn’t afford to keep them. Transfer and prep recruiting would seem to suggest they’re not exactly making strong offers. Braun bragged about how his football recruiting class didn’t receive a penny of NIL money… these are all anecdotal but the fact that they’re completely out of sync with conference peers would at least suggest that there is an NIL gap there.

 

[wildcatpn]

My guess would be vain donors are giving money to things they can put their name on instead of NIL collectives.

I do not know because NIL collectives aren’t publicly reported anywhere. So it’s conjecture on how much NU has (or doesn’t have). But the fact that football saw a many key starters leave for paydays at other schools would lead one to assume NU couldn’t afford to keep them. Transfer and prep recruiting would seem to suggest they’re not exactly making strong offers. Braun bragged about how his football recruiting class didn’t receive a penny of NIL money… these are all anecdotal but the fact that they’re completely out of sync with conference peers would at least suggest that there is an NIL gap there.

You have no clue what you’re talking about.

 

[lunker35]

1) Thanks to @Vassar69 for the nice summary.

2) The ok-but-not-great NU source tells me Jackson and Collins get along well. He believes this is a play for an extension by CC's agent and it will work out in the end.

3) But if Mick Cronin is in play ... hmmmmm? Don't ask me if I'd sacrifice CC for Cronin. You may not like the answer. If I were Jackson, I'd put in a call juuuuuuuuuuust in case.

Mick’s cousin lives in Kenilworth and they are very close. Just saying…

 

[Davidgolds5]

Mick’s cousin lives in Kenilworth and they are very close. Just saying…

Is there a more entertaining coach out there than Mick Cronin?

 

[Vassar69]

You have no clue what you’re talking about.

Really? It sort of seems like nobody on here has a clue what’s going on. I’m just sharing what Goodman and other national reporters have said on their paywalled sites, and so far those all seem to be more accurate and informed than what anyone on here has said… But sure, if you want to believe what sources within the NU infrastructure are feeding “reporters” who run an NU Fan Site instead of what national reporters (and the actual results) say about what’s going on, then go for it

 

[wildcatpn]

Really? It sort of seems like nobody on here has a clue what’s going on. I’m just sharing what Goodman and other national reporters have said on their paywalled sites, and so far those all seem to be more accurate and informed than what anyone on here has said… But sure, if you want to believe what sources within the NU infrastructure are feeding “reporters” who run an NU Fan Site instead of what national reporters (and the actual results) say about what’s going on, then go for it

You have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to NU and NIL and how they compensate their players. That's what you were talking about in the post I replied to. Nothing to do with coaches or coaching searches.

 

[ParisCat]

Guru says Jay Wright wants Porter Moser over Collins. Nova’s attention is shifting away from Collins. FWIW.

 

[Davidgolds5]

Let’s say he stays at NU. How does that impact a relationship if it’s discovered that he wanted to leave for another job?

 

[UpsetAlert]

Let’s say he stays at NU. How does that impact a relationship if it’s discovered that he wanted to leave for another job?

Zero impact, especially if an extension coming

 

[Sec.112]

Let’s say he stays at NU. How does that impact a relationship if it’s discovered that he wanted to leave for another job?

I have an offshoot of the same question. If CC stays, does this end up with a sizeable extension and a large buyout?

If not, I assume this is our new reality and CC finds a new gig in the next three years max.

Nothing wrong with looking once or twice. Remember Painter was less than 24 hours from leaving Purdue for Missouri in 2011.

But for the program, you have re-commit at some point.

 

[hdhntr1]

My guess would be vain donors are giving money to things they can put their name on instead of NIL collectives.

I do not know because NIL collectives aren’t publicly reported anywhere. So it’s conjecture on how much NU has (or doesn’t have). But the fact that football saw a many key starters leave for paydays at other schools would lead one to assume NU couldn’t afford to keep them. Transfer and prep recruiting would seem to suggest they’re not exactly making strong offers. Braun bragged about how his football recruiting class didn’t receive a penny of NIL money… these are all anecdotal but the fact that they’re completely out of sync with conference peers would at least suggest that there is an NIL gap there.

While they left, it often was not or at least not just paydays. They wanted their last year to be played someplace relevant. After the fiasco of how things were handled regarding the Fitz firing, it sure did not look like that was at NU

 

[hdhntr1]

Wonder if in a situation like this, the coach keeps his players updated. Nick Martinelli just sitting around with no more info than we are? I would think that would be unlikely. The portal opens in a few days.

For Martinelli, it likely does not matter as much since if Collins were to leave he would get another portal opening and it is not like he would have difficulty going somewhere else if he wanted to.

 

[hdhntr1]

NU also won a national championship, if you recall.

I am old but not that old

 

[ThatkidfromHolland]

For Martinelli, it likely does not matter as much since if Collins were to leave he would get another portal opening and it is not like he would have difficulty going somewhere else if he wanted to.

He wasn’t good enough for 1st team All B1G. You sure anyone else will want him?

/s

 

[hdhntr1]

My guess would be vain donors are giving money to things they can put their name on instead of NIL collectives.

I do not know because NIL collectives aren’t publicly reported anywhere. So it’s conjecture on how much NU has (or doesn’t have). But the fact that football saw a many key starters leave for paydays at other schools would lead one to assume NU couldn’t afford to keep them. Transfer and prep recruiting would seem to suggest they’re not exactly making strong offers. Braun bragged about how his football recruiting class didn’t receive a penny of NIL money… these are all anecdotal but the fact that they’re completely out of sync with conference peers would at least suggest that there is an NIL gap there.

The commitment to the facilities was also before NIL became what it is now. NIL is a separate pot that may include several of the same donors but we really don't know what is going on there. As you say, some like to have their name on something that will be there for 50-75 years. Those same people may also be more old school and might not like the way college athletics is going so might not want to be involved in NIL

 

[Catdude]

Let’s say he stays at NU. How does that impact a relationship if it’s discovered that he wanted to leave for another job?

As an alum and fan, it's a reality check. I really thought (obviously naively) that the only college job that Collins would leave for is Duke. Now the question is why is he willing to go to Nova if these rumors are true. Does he feel that creating a national power at NU is simply too hard? If so, why and is that something that can be fixed or at least helped? Will a contract extension and possible other changes (more admissions flexibility?) allay those concerns or, if he keeps NU relevant, will we be going through this every year?

Of course, we are all basing our entire understanding on what is happening behind the scenes on anonymous Internet sources who may or may not have any idea what they are talking about. I'd personally feel much more comfortable if NU announces an extension by the end of the week so we can move forward and Collins can attack the portal to build a contender in 2025-26.

 

[hdhntr1]

As an alum and fan, it's a reality check. I really thought (obviously naively) that the only college job that Collins would leave for is Duke. Now the question is why is he willing to go to Nova if these rumors are true. Does he feel that creating a national power at NU is simply too hard? If so, why and is that something that can be fixed or at least helped? Will a contract extension and possible other changes (more admissions flexibility?) allay those concerns or, if he keeps NU relevant, will we be going through this every year?

Of course, we are all basing our entire understanding on what is happening behind the scenes on anonymous Internet sources who may or may not have any idea what they are talking about. I'd personally feel much more comfortable if NU announces an extension by the end of the week so we can move forward and Collins can attack the portal to build a contender in 2025-26.

Again, we do not know what CCCs motivation is. If he desperately wants to be lifting trophies at the end of the year, at some point he is likely gone. If he is satisfied with building a solid and respectable program where he gets to dance about half the time , pulls some upsets and gets to second weekend or maybe a little better ala Wis, give him the flexibility in NIL and admissions he needs and let him continue to build the program and he becomes coach for life

 

[Davidgolds5]

Again, we do not know what CCCs motivation is. If he desperately wants to be lifting trophies at the end of the year, at some point he is likely gone. If he is satisfied with building a solid and respectable program where he gets to dance about half the time , pulls some upsets and gets to second weekend or maybe a little better ala Wis, give him the flexibility in NIL and admissions he needs and let him continue to build the program and he becomes coach for life

Assuming this Villanova job goes away, does collins come out and address his status or this situation? Or is nothing ever said and he just continues coaching as he usually does?

 

[Max_Power]

Let’s say he stays at NU. How does that impact a relationship if it’s discovered that he wanted to leave for another job?

Gary Barnett wanted to leave NU for multiple jobs. He flirted with other programs over a few seasons generally pissing off the NU faithful and the AD before leaving for Colorado. There really was no damage to his standing at NU or nationally. We welcomed him back after each time he chased the next hot job. I am not sure he even damaged his own recruiting which was insane for NU. There will always be the what if had Barnett stayed and built his program but at the time, NU was not built to be the home of a national power.

Collins does not have any of those issues. NU is 100% ready for hoops hysteria. The biggest issue remains fan support but I think a couple more tourney appearances and few less injuries would help.

That said, if I was Collins and I saw Villanova open - I'd be tempted as well. Also, there will always be the threat for him to get snagged by a big time program but I think it would have to be on par with Villanova for him to be tempted. I don't think he's going to the SEC, for example to coach at Ole Miss.

And at the end of the day, Collins leaving this spring will not be resolved until Villanova hires a coach.

 

[macarthur31]

Again, we do not know what CCCs motivation is. If he desperately wants to be lifting trophies at the end of the year, at some point he is likely gone. If he is satisfied with building a solid and respectable program where he gets to dance about half the time , pulls some upsets and gets to second weekend or maybe a little better ala Wis, give him the flexibility in NIL and admissions he needs and let him continue to build the program and he becomes coach for life

Wisconsin's last 10 seasons

Season	NCAA Seed	Finish
2016	7th	Sweet 16
2017	8th	Sweet 16
2018	NONE	Went 7-11, Finished 9th in B1G
2019	5th	R64
2020	NONE	COVID CANCELLED (B1G Reg Season Champ)
2021	9th	R32
2022	3rd	R32 (B1G Reg Season Champ)
2023	NONE	9-11, 11th in B1G, NIT Semifinalist
2024	5th	R64
2025	3rd	TBD

I can envision this kind of run attainable at NU, except he'd just have to ensure he'd have to have the supermajority of his recruiting classes be Berry, Barnhizer, Nicholson and not Strauss, Barkley, Clayton.

 

[Skunkpilot]

Strauss and Barkley were BAD recruits. No excuses.

 

[PURPLECAT88]

Wisconsin's last 10 seasons

Season	NCAA Seed	Finish
2016	7th	Sweet 16
2017	8th	Sweet 16
2018	NONE	Went 7-11, Finished 9th in B1G
2019	5th	R64
2020	NONE	COVID CANCELLED (B1G Reg Season Champ)
2021	9th	R32
2022	3rd	R32 (B1G Reg Season Champ)
2023	NONE	9-11, 11th in B1G, NIT Semifinalist
2024	5th	R64
2025	3rd	TBD

I can envision this kind of run attainable at NU, except he'd just have to ensure he'd have to have the supermajority of his recruiting classes be Berry, Barnhizer, Nicholson and not Strauss, Barkley, Clayton.

Berry, Barnhizer, Nicholson was not a class. Barnhizer's class had Roper and Simmons. That's not good enough. We need to average at least two solid Big Ten regulars per class. Assuming Collins stays, I expect the KJ/Gelo class is starting a trend where we consistently reach or exceed that bar.

 

[macarthur31]

Berry, Barnhizer, Nicholson was not a class. Barnhizer's class had Roper and Simmons. That's not good enough. We need to average at least two solid Big Ten regulars per class. Assuming Collins stays, I expect the KJ/Gelo class is starting a trend where we consistently reach or exceed that bar.

Right - Berry, Barnhizer, Nicholson ended up in same grad class due to covid.

Mullins, Martinelli and Hunger are next year's seniors. That's a solid hit rate.
KJ + Gelo (assuming growth continues) would also be good, and that's the level they would have to maintain.
Clayton, Strauss, Barkley collectively is not the standard (though Clayton may end up as a solid individual rotation player).

5 guys coming in next year. Each one has some really positive aspects, and collectively they seem to have a pretty high floor - very reminiscent of the '15 group of Law, Lindsey, Skelly, BMac. Law got B1G All-Defensive Team (2017), Honorable Mention (2019) BMac got 2nd Team All-B1G (2017), Lindsey got 3rd Team All-B1G (2017). If 3 of next year's class can get to that...

 

[Davidgolds5]

it would be nice to get some definitive clarity on the coaching status, id like to start focusing on the portal, specifically are there others we expect to leave (if the coach stays) and are there some we wouldn’t mind leaving? Barkley I would characterize as a good transfer for the team. He did not play and presumably this is what he wants to be able to play.

 

[hdhntr1]

Strauss and Barkley were BAD recruits. No excuses.

Thank Gragg

 

[hdhntr1]

Wisconsin's last 10 seasons

Season	NCAA Seed	Finish
2016	7th	Sweet 16
2017	8th	Sweet 16
2018	NONE	Went 7-11, Finished 9th in B1G
2019	5th	R64
2020	NONE	COVID CANCELLED (B1G Reg Season Champ)
2021	9th	R32
2022	3rd	R32 (B1G Reg Season Champ)
2023	NONE	9-11, 11th in B1G, NIT Semifinalist
2024	5th	R64
2025	3rd	TBD

I can envision this kind of run attainable at NU, except he'd just have to ensure he'd have to have the supermajority of his recruiting classes be Berry, Barnhizer, Nicholson and not Strauss, Barkley, Clayton.

And they also got to a couple final 4s a couple years earlier. Again I look at WIS as a solid target to aim for. But he needs consistency for that . He has had a couple times of inconsistency and to reach the level of WIS, gotta have a higher floor for bottom classes

 

[hdhntr1]

Berry, Barnhizer, Nicholson was not a class. Barnhizer's class had Roper and Simmons. That's not good enough. We need to average at least two solid Big Ten regulars per class. Assuming Collins stays, I expect the KJ/Gelo class is starting a trend where we consistently reach or exceed that bar.

Roper for sure and Simmons also, I believe were at a high enough level., They just did not stick around.

 

[clarificationcat]

Roper for sure and Simmons also, I believe were at a high enough level., They just did not stick around.

They were good recruits. They just didn’t develop as hoped. That obviously happens in every program. I was very excited about Roper. Came from a great program, is a pretty good athlete and had a great high school career. Simmons was more of an upside guy given his frame but worth a shot in most years.

 

[AdamOnFirst]

Same can be said about us

When has anybody here claimed to have any inside knowledge of that?

 

[AdamOnFirst]

Really? It sort of seems like nobody on here has a clue what’s going on. I’m just sharing what Goodman and other national reporters have said on their paywalled sites, and so far those all seem to be more accurate and informed than what anyone on here has said… But sure, if you want to believe what sources within the NU infrastructure are feeding “reporters” who run an NU Fan Site instead of what national reporters (and the actual results) say about what’s going on, then go for it

When you were compiling information from various national reporting sources about the basketball coaching carousel and using that to provide a teeny tiny bit of analysis based on what the info could mean, you were providing genuine value here.

As far as NU's NIL situation, people around here actually do know a lot, and it's clear from your comments that you don't at all. Less value provided.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

Strauss and Barkley were BAD recruits. No excuses.

There is a gigantic excuse for this class. It’s called Dr Derrick Gragg.