Say he made a Sweet 16 this year and a third tournament next year, and then took the Bulls job (which, btw, I don't think he'd be qualified for). Then he gets fired after 3-4 years with the Bulls. He'd still be a candidate for most major college jobs out there, at many places with more prestige than NU.
Doug Collins hired as Bulls "senior advisor"
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Next year 9 of NU's 13 scholarships will be held by players who had at least one 4 star rating. The four that don't -- pardon, ash, young and gaines -- include a starter.
Does a smart man ride out this trajectory for a few years or jump to a dumpster fire?
The work environment and quality of life at NU >> NBA in my opinion. He gets a palatial window office overlooking Lake Michigan in the brand new Taj Fitz as an added perk to a brand new bball arena, the multi-year multi-million dollar salary, family life on the North Shore, etc. The NBA season is a long grind with a lot of road trips and dealing with multi-millionaire athletes... not as appealing compared to what he already has.
Couldn't you say the same thing of pretty much any college coach that moves up to the NBA or NFL? I think the big draw for many guys is no longer having to recruit.
Bulls job is a no-win job anyway. Putting aside the fact that they suck, unless you win 7 championships you're not the face of the bulls from a management side.
Makes a lot of sense, and you kind of get the impression that CCC understands this. The grass is pretty green right where he is, and the long-term forecast is for even sunnier skies.
pretty much any college coach joined a program that had already been to the tournament
this is Collins' creation, he started from scratch
But no recruiting. (or pretty limited) If a college coach is successful much because of their ability to spot and bring in talent, going to the pros would be taking a major arrow out of his quiver. Or if they are successful because of some gimicky O or D maximizing value of their talent, that tends to be less successful at the next level. If they are mostly successful because they are great Xs and Os, maybe pros good option. But I have seen a lot of the former in both FB and BB fail at the pro level.
Probably closer to $150 mm or more. Contracts in the future will likely be for increasing amounts.
I don't get the vibes that Collins dislikes recruiting. On the contrary, he even seems to enjoy it. Especially when you can use a private plane to hop down to, say Texas, with you entire staff to have an in-home visit with a top recruit like Miller Kopp. There are lot worse jobs, including a NBA head coaching job in the wrong city and wrong situation.
Didn't we hear his new contact was in the $2-3 million area? Not exactly chump change and I would say it is in the ballpark.
It is in the >$3 Million/year neighborhood. Not quite Northfield but a nice place to live.
Really? Doesn't appear on the final design review document. Maybe he shares Dr. Jim's digs.....
Brad Stevens, Steve Spurrier, Billy Donavan, Calipari (UMass), dare I say Tim Floyd? Probably examples going either way but in all cases isn't the coach leaving a comfortable, known commodity for an unknown, but well-paid opportunity,
Something not mentioned in this thread but what I think could be a big plus - I would bet Doug being with the Bulls improves the chances of players getting NBA tryouts, D-league contracts, drafted etc. if the bulls are looking to bring in a point guard for a try-out and are looking at B-Mac and 2 or 3 other kids, you have to think Doug pushes for the kid he knows and has seen play 150 collegiate games, many in person. Can only help as a selling point to recruits too.
Kids get what they earn. A summer league try-out is nice but in most cases just prep for Europe. BMac is a very good college player but if he makes it to the NBA it won't be because Doug Collins knows him better than some other player. It will be because he can play better than the other options.
You can fail spectacularly in the pros in three years but you can always come back to college after that. Different strokes for different folks I guess, I can see how it could be appealing to someone as competitive as Chris Collins to try to win at the highest level of basketball, especially one that he did not really get to enjoy as a player. Not saying this is what he thinks since he only needs to look up at Coach K, but there is a difference in prestige of coaching an NBA team and Northwestern (gasp).
Gregg Popovich, arguably one of the three best coaches in NBA history? With respect, I don't think the issue here is their lack of prestige.
With respect, he may be a wonderful coach, but I doubt that 2 in 100 College educated Americans could pick him out of a lineup.
I don't agree with that list. It may be possible, if we're considering just the average people in the US. The NBA actually has a big international fanbase.
I was only considering the US. College basketball is not followed outside the US. I would not be surprised if NCAA hoops isn't more popular in the US than the NBA.
I can name half a dozen ex-college coaches that have quadruple the recognition of this fellow you're mentioning (who I would have zero chance of ever recognizing). Retired guys.
Digger Phelps
John Thompson
Bob Knight
Larry Brown
Rick Majerus (he's retired, isn't he?)
Dean Smith
Hell, Dick Vitale is more recognized than any pro coach since Phil Jackson and Pat Riley left the bench. And maybe since even before then.
The bottom line is that the whole country watches March Madness. Hardly anybody watches the NBA.
I'm sure these NBA guys are the best in the biz. But they toil in relative anonymity in a here today, gone tomorrow business - the tradeoff for which is insane money.
The tournament is very popular, and gets similar and sometimes better ratings than the NBA playoffs. The NCAA regular season, however, is a ratings graveyard that nobody watches.
He's been dead for five years.
That's just silly. I hardly follow the NBA at all, but the idea that Pop is some obscure figure on the fringe of American sports is absurd. More people could identify Majerus than Popovich? That's some Pauline Kael-level bubble you're living in. And as for Vitale, how many people even know he was a coach? He's known for being a broadcaster, and he actually coached in the NBA more recently than he coached in college.
How many people out of 100 do you think would be able to look at a photo of Pop and say who he is?
I speculated 2/100 and I even threw in "college educated" to make the sample at least semi-literate. I'm not saying he's not excellent at what he does. I'm saying nobody knows who he is. The people know the players. 98 out of 100 people or whatever in this country know who LeBron and Steph Curry are. They just don't know the coaches.
It's that simple. More people can name Jim Boeheim than Pop because more people have bet on Jim Boeheim than Pop. Ain't no office pool for the NBA playoffs...
I speculated 2/100 and I even threw in "college educated" to make the sample at least semi-literate. I'm not saying he's not excellent at what he does. I'm saying nobody knows who he is. The people know the players. 98 out of 100 people or whatever in this country know who LeBron and Steph Curry are. They just don't know the coaches.
It's that simple. More people can name Jim Boeheim than Pop because more people have bet on Jim Boeheim than Pop. Ain't no office pool for the NBA playoffs...
So for the NBA, the general population know the players and not the coaches, but in the NCAA, they know the coaches because they bet more on the games? I'm not following the logic.
I guess I can't prove that Popovich has more name value than Jim Boeheim. Let's get back to comparing the prestige between the two leagues. Successful college coaches have taken jobs in the NBA, but I cannot remember a single recent case of the opposite happening. Regardless of what you think, or even what the general population may think, the coaches seem to think winning at the NBA has more "prestige".
I think they take the NBA gigs for the money.
80 games vs 30, in bigger stadiums in towns where there are more and bigger T&E accounts and fewer mouths to feed with the TV contracts leaves plenty of cash for coaches to get paid.
If the IRS banned expense accounts, the NBA and strip clubs would all go b/k. Well, maybe not the strip clubs...
80 games vs 30, in bigger stadiums in towns where there are more and bigger T&E accounts and fewer mouths to feed with the TV contracts leaves plenty of cash for coaches to get paid.
If the IRS banned expense accounts, the NBA and strip clubs would all go b/k. Well, maybe not the strip clubs...
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