Indiana Fires Tom Allen
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They have a QB commit from Ohio that seems to be well thought of that also has a reported offer from Yale. We need a QB in this class. Charlie Becker, a WR from Nashville, is also an Indiana commit that seriously considered NU.
That's the hardest job in the Big Ten by far. Just nothing going for Indiana. Shares a state with Notre Dame and Purdue and a far worse history + resources than virtually every other Big Ten program.
Last bowl win was in 1991 and only 1 ranked finish since '88 (6-2 Covid 2020 season). Just a really tough place to put any sort of success together.
Last bowl win was in 1991 and only 1 ranked finish since '88 (6-2 Covid 2020 season). Just a really tough place to put any sort of success together.
The crying they did about the Cats getting a better bowl in 2020 (and then losing theirs while the Cats won big) turned me against him.
I remember when they beat us (2019?) they didn’t act at all “like they’ve been there.”
Best thing IU ever did was give us Peyton Ramsey.
The only thing I can think I liked about Indiana U was that it was the backdrop for the movie “Breaking Away” involving “town vs gown” culture clashes and bicycle racing.
Seems dumb to not wait a week if would save millions of dollars
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Here are some of the contract details
Why was Tom Allen fired? Indiana cuts ties with football coach despite contract buyout
Indiana fired Tom Allen Sunday after a 35-31 loss to Purdue. Here's why:
www.indystar.com
Buyout is negotiated down to $15.5 mill but it would have been down to $8 mill next year, They could have him as a consultant for a year and it would have saved them $8 million or so
I remembered some dirty hits to our QBs that game… hope they suck more next year.
Literally picked up and body slammed (I think it was) Hunter Johnson?
Anyway, I’m sure Allen is glad he lost Ramsey who then won a division title with NU, and then lost Penix who could win a Heisman and PAC 12 title.
I Like IU and the movie. My wife is the hot chick walking campus after the girl jogger when the townies came to campus after leaving the quarry during the beginning of the movie.
She told me three years ago that she was in a movie when she was young. I thought she did a porno, but she is Breaking Away.
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My son was born in Bloomington. We still have his custom-made CUTTERS onesie.
IU basically picked Michael Penix over Ramsey, right? Sadly, they only got 11 games over two seasons before his transfer to stardom in Seattle.
(29:15 TD:INT in 21 games over four seasons at IU; 63:16 in 25 games over two seasons at Washington.)
It is worth noting that Vince McMahon's grandson is now on the team.
I've never been to Bloomington, but I've heard it's a great college town. Compare that to West Lafayette, which is a pretty depressing town...I'm at least a little surprised their fortunes aren't reversed with Purdue.
It's interesting to hear Allen had the most lucrative buyout for a head coach behind Jimbo of all people...just goes to show what the right (or wrong) mix of athletic directors and agents can do.
I remember that like yesterday.
A fat, slow defensive linemen got to HuJo on a busted play and intentionally hurt him by spin-tackle-slamming him into the ground. And then celebrated while Hunter writhed in pain.
I always disliked Indiana football, but their dirty play in that game solidified it permanently for me.
Allen looked like a dirty coach. Glad he’s gone from the B1G.
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Indiana is obviously a talent-poor football state where the best athletes are pushed to hoops. IU and Purdue are a distant 2a and 2b to Notre Dame, of course.
The difference is that Purdue caught ten years of lighting in a bottle when Tiller brought the spread to the conference. Indiana has never found that guy, and it’s unlikely they will in an 18-team conference.
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Article indicated Dec 1 was a significant date, Even if not, Couldn't they just kept him on the payroll ($4.9 mill) for the year hidden them and saved a ton? I mean in another year the payout dropped to $8 mill
They gave us John Pont who basically destroyed NU FB for 25 years
Indiana has not been a talent poor state for 30+ years. The influence and popularity of the Colts has made Indiana a productive state for talent. However, splitting that talent between ND, PU, IU, and BSU and out of state elites makes it tough on everyone
I agree it’s not talent poor but I certainly think it’s a stretch to call it a state with a lot of talent. relative to what state? I would categorize it as average.
1) You missed the follow up tweet:
2) Because they negotiated the buyout down to ~$15MM and paid it from donor funds in two payments:
It produces about the same number of scholarship football players as Iowa; more than Wisconsin and Minnesota, but less than Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio.
On a per capita basis, it’s gotten better due to the Manning effect. But per-capita doesn’t really matter if the number of teams looking at that talent (specifically Purdue and Indiana, second fiddle to ND) doesn’t change.
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If Notre Dame were in Sioux City instead of South Bend, Indiana and Purdue would be better off and Iowa and Iowa State would be worse off.
Indiana’s a really hard place to win. Evidence: They’ve never won.
Still a lot more than they would have had to pay had they put any thought into it
They have reasonable talent but they have 6.8 million people and 3 P5 level programs 4 D1 out of about 120. Dilutes it when also surrounded by Mich and Ohio going after that top talent
These types of things get very uncomfortable for all involved if you try to keep a guy hanging around for an extra 12 months just to save $5-10 million on a buyout.
Given the money coming into Big Ten coffers over the next 2 years (a substantial $30-40 million annual bump for each school), it's understandable that schools can budget giving some donor funds to cover these types of things.
And I'm sure contracts like that have clauses pertaining to responsibilities and require HC level responsibilities otherwise the coach is effectively considered terminated (or something to that effect).
Generally, it's best to just negotiate and let him get a big bag and leave without making a fuss (lawsuits or otherwise).
There is no equivalent of a Pat Ryan in Bloomington because most of the big donors are exclusively interested in basketball (Mark Cuban). A past IU President took about $25 million from the B10 TV distribution away from athletics to use for academic purposes. The facilities (especially the indoor football practice facility) are woefully out of date and most importantly, IU has been terribly slow on understanding and embracing NIL.
It’s the last point that will have to be guaranteed in order to attract a quality coach. If football continues to play fair haired step child to the efforts on NIL in basketball, you would be taking a salary (albeit a nice one) to surely fail.
It’s the last point that will have to be guaranteed in order to attract a quality coach. If football continues to play fair haired step child to the efforts on NIL in basketball, you would be taking a salary (albeit a nice one) to surely fail.
Sounds like NU. And can't imagine it helps for program to just throw away money they do have
Sorry but I still remember A million here and a million there and after a while you are talking real money. There are work arounds that could minimize this and they are going to have to have some of those millions to pay new coach
As we’ve learned time and again from overhyped coaches, swagger becomes a detriment if your reputation is based around it, because once the loses start, the swagger goes away and you’re left with having to actually coach well.
The decision makers at IU made the mistake of giving that big contract to Allen and not to one of his former coordinators who are both leading winning programs right now.
That's why have always been a proponent of hiring a HC who can keep things going on one side of the ball and only having to make a good coordinator hire on the other side.
The Cats now have that in Braun.
We basically saw the NFL equivalent of Allen with Sirianni and the Eagles.
Loses 2 top notch coordinators and replaces them with uninspiring hires.
Unlike the SB season, the offensive scheme was pretty vanilla with Hurts often in a 3 wide-out set despite still not being a polished pocket passing QB.
Never bought into the Hurts is an elite QB rhetoric as he (like Dak early in his career with the Cowboys) had everything a QB needed to be successful.
A QB is only elite (in my book) if he can cover up for short-fallings - whether that be coaching/scheme, personnel, etc.
Loses 2 top notch coordinators and replaces them with uninspiring hires.
Unlike the SB season, the offensive scheme was pretty vanilla with Hurts often in a 3 wide-out set despite still not being a polished pocket passing QB.
Never bought into the Hurts is an elite QB rhetoric as he (like Dak early in his career with the Cowboys) had everything a QB needed to be successful.
A QB is only elite (in my book) if he can cover up for short-fallings - whether that be coaching/scheme, personnel, etc.
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