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PS Just between you and me, don’t tell anyone, the earth is not flat
PS Just between you and me, don’t tell anyone, the earth is not flat
I will rephrase your comment just a little bit because I have known him for a very long time. Very often it is impossible to tell where to draw the line.I’m aware (or at least hopeful) that as least some of his stuff on here is for show. Sometimes hard to tell where to draw the line.
Wow, broward is the best Florida. They are huge and have the best resources. Their success rate with covid patients starts with their unique treatment of the disease with their head pulmonologist, a frenchman. Who actually prescribes the ivemectum that the media is misleading about.I know what you’re saying, but at least two or three of us spoke to him while he was in the hospital i.e. we called the hospital not his cell phone. He had Covid and was hospitalized,And he was in what is considered to be probably the best hospital in my county for Covid treatment, Broward General Hospital, even though he lives in the next county. I spoke to him only very briefly because it was obvious that he was having some difficulty speaking, kind of sounded like a whisper.
Wow, broward is the best Florida. They are huge and have the best resources. Their success rate with covid patients starts with their unique treatment of the disease with their head pulmonologist, a frenchman. Who actually prescribes the ivemectum that the media is misleading about.
I love broward. Unfortunately, i live in palm beach county like you so our hospitals really imo suck. I originally went to jupiter but those goofs werent going to treat, my consult there was toss me on oxygen and hydrate.
Broward started immediately with iv antibotics. Great professionals, friendly staff. Very confident
What i posted was not only useful but the largest study to date (75,000 subjects). Totally seperate from my opinion and irrefutable.I’m aware (or at least hopeful) that as least some of his stuff on here is for show. Sometimes hard to tell where to draw the line.
That may be true. But the amish been using it for years. I dont know much about itThe issue with ivermectin is people self-medicating with veterinarian-grade doses purchased from livestock stores. Completely different if/when prescribed by a doctor in a hospital setting, even though the efficacy as a COVID treatment is highly questionable.
What i posted was not only useful but the largest study to date (75,000 subjects). Totally seperate from my opinion and irrefutable.
"August 27,
The new results are good news for patients who already successfully battled COVID-19, but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who recovered."
Now, i dont think there is anything wrong with me getting a vaccine to enhance any protection. But i think its very important for those already vaccinated to read this bombshell report from the scientific community to show them that they need to be careful, take little risk and make sure you get your boosters because your chances are much much higher (13 times greater) of getting covid and having symptoms.
Scientifically, im in the best shape as i have immunity and i can get a vaccine possibly next year.
I don’t know anything about that drug but know that a few years back Gladeskat took it for I’m not sure what you call it like a hookworm or a ringworm in his foot or toe and he got it when he was About to go to Evanston for a football game. I’m pretty sure he said to me that the drug was very effective for him, but of course that was a totally different ailment.
Gladeskat also recommended on here for me to take it for covid. I took it under doctors orders.…because that’s the on-label approved use for human consumption of the drug.
No, I didn't miss the point of the study. You missed my point: If your strategy to protect yourself from the disease is to not get the vaccine and then get the disease, I think that's foolish. You get hit hardest by the disease that way because you have no protection.Turk, as FeralFelidae Points out in this quote, I think you missed the take away of that study. We’ve always known that it’s highly unlikely a person will get Covid two times. So it’s not really news that people who are vaccinated have a higher risk of getting Covid once than compared to someone who already had Covid getting it a second time.
Certainly your takeaway from the study can’t be that your best way to protect yourself from covid is to….get covid.
Get the shot everyone.
Even if you already had covid.
Gladeskat also recommended on here for me to take it for covid. I took it under doctors orders.
At any rate, ive exhausted this thread from my perspective. I have nothing more to say and have no interest in debating the latest science. Just figured id drop the article here, and people can choose to inform themself or not.
Either way, i dont feel its proper, in the name of progress, for any of us to be closed minded and stuck in one necessary camp.
Cheers!
Those people suffer from a malady known as stupidity. There is no vaccine for that.And I don’t necessarily have a problem with taking anything on doctor’s orders. Again, the issue is that people are buying animal-grade medication and self-dosing to the extent that the FDA felt the need to step in and make a public statement. That’s bad.
Uh oh. I forgot that needles are also sharp objects.I am not waiting for the booster. I am injecting bleach into my veins as a preventative measure.
There’s another malady, suffered by those who go out of their way to tout quack cures and denigrating real medicine and real science, in the hope of persuading others to do the same. It’s called evil.Those people suffer from a malady known as stupidity. There is no vaccine for that.
It is good to know Gov. DeSantis is getting his COVID advice from a psychiatrist - kind of like getting medical advice from Turk.Gladeskat also recommended on here for me to take it for covid. I took it under doctors orders.
At any rate, ive exhausted this thread from my perspective. I have nothing more to say and have no interest in debating the latest science. Just figured id drop the article here, and people can choose to inform themself or not.
Either way, i dont feel its proper, in the name of progress, for any of us to be closed minded and stuck in one necessary camp.
Cheers!
That is the darkest response to one of my posts ever. It stopped my antidepressant in its tracks.There’s another malady, suffered by those who go out of their way to tout quack cures and denigrating real medicine and real science, in the hope of persuading others to do the same. It’s called evil.
I agree.And I don’t necessarily have a problem with taking anything on doctor’s orders. Again, the issue is that people are buying animal-grade medication and self-dosing to the extent that the FDA felt the need to step in and make a public statement. That’s bad.
I agree.
Seperately, since I have you here, am i reasonable to be pumped about Hunter Johnson?
I honestly cant believe he did it and seperated himself from very strong competition. Our OC proved himself as a solid OC and Anderson is the best OL coach.
Im so excited im out of the hospital and im not back to work yet so all i can think about is this msu game and specifically so proud of hunter. Fitz barely announces a qb so early. Amazing!
So he had Covid, Was pretty sick for a while, and I am glad to hear that he is doing a lot better and was discharged. What I do not agree with and I will never agree with is all the bullshit arguments and rationalizations and nonsense science for not getting vaccinated in the first place. I don’t care what he says about other methods of preventing the disease. Get vaccinated! He is quite honestly the only person I know who was adamant about not getting vaccinated,
I still don’t think people should be “forced” to get vaccinated. If they want to walk the razor’s edge, that’s their problem.
You can but your credibility is vastly inferior to the top scientist that concluded very strongly using unfiltered data that natural immunity was comparatively favorable.
Science is evolving and never moreso than regarding covid. Even this new data may eventually be refuted.
I think your other non guarantee opinion may be close to the bullseye here. Consider my position. I have natural immunity however due to previous lung scarring in my life i ended up with a mild yet hospitalized status. Im not comfortable with that. Am i going to be mild again when im older?
I dont want to take that chance. So for me, i tend to agree with you that its reasonable for me to get a vaccine on top of my immunity. But not for several months.
The importance of the article was to inform the pfizer people that they arent out of the woods. They cant afford to be so arrogant in the light of new data.
I still don’t think people should be “forced” to get vaccinated. If they want to walk the razor’s edge, that’s their problem.
The vaccination is not about individuals, but about public health writ large.
I think your doubts about the scientific article are the result of the shocking yet newest data. Its not just an article but its is the latest collection of data that is thus far the largest 75,000 sunjects collection of science.Excuse me if I have some doubts about the credibility of your scientific resources and data. Its not just your COVID related nonsense (for which you unfortunately paid a price, and somehow aren't learning anything about how to handle being wrong and general humility and the opportunity to learn). It's the earth is flat and the fake moon landing and fake on the lake. Noticing a pattern of refusing to accept the facts as truth and a relentless resistance to reality and common sense.
I'm very glad that you've recovered. Go get vaccinated. Live long and prosper.
Vaxxed individuals can still pass the virus.
At a much MUCH lower rate, at least until the Delta variant emerged… which would have been much better controlled if more people had been vaccinated and masked earlier.
The entire issue is that their choice impacts all of us. Those who can and refuse to get vaccinated (like Turk) are imposing massive costs on the rest of society in form of: (1) evolving newer and more vaccine-resistant variants, (2) costing tax-payers through insanely expensive hospital stays, and (3) filling ICUs to the brim so that people with non-COVID related health conditions cannot access care.I still don’t think people should be “forced” to get vaccinated. If they want to walk the razor’s edge, that’s their problem.
Is there data for that?
You’re not going to like the sourcing, but this CNN article quotes pretty extensively from a CDC study discussing how the Delta variant produced similar viral loads in both vaccinated and unvaccinated people (which was not the case with previous variants):
CDC shares 'pivotal discovery' on Covid-19 breakthrough infections that led to new mask guidance
A new study shows the Delta Covid-19 variant produced similar amounts of virus in vaccinated and unvaccinated people if they get infected -- illustrating a key motivation behind the federal guidance that now recommends most fully vaccinated Americans wear masks indoors.www.cnn.com
And vaccinated people are not a cost? Im sorry but your thinking is too narrow if you are going to reasonably discuss and unpack the issues in a fair way.The entire issue is that their choice impacts all of us. Those who can and refuse to get vaccinated (like Turk) are imposing massive costs on the rest of society in form of: (1) evolving newer and more vaccine-resistant variants, (2) costing tax-payers through insanely expensive hospital stays, and (3) filling ICUs to the brim so that people with non-COVID related health conditions cannot access care.
Much greater. Vaccinated people werent getting covid. Then vaccinated people started having breakthrus. No vaccinated people are moving into mild covid wards. What next?Remember that none of the vaccines were 100% effective, in the 90s correct? so some 5 to 9 % of vaccinated people could get breaktrough covid. But 99.9% of current hospitalizations and deaths are un-vaccinated....the real issue is because of the large # of those that did not get vacinated we will probably never hit heard immunity.....had our chance....1st and goal at the 1 and we fumbled the ball,,
This is a big problem i have with haters.
They are limiting progress and intentionally spreading covid with immigrant insurgents. A big part of floridas and texas covid problem is that President Biden brought insurgents by the thousands into the country to harvest covid by moving thousands of the infected insurgents to florida. Its likely that I got covid due to an illegal insurgent.