The article does not address the most important issue
How does he miss THAT??? Not a single sentence about NU's academic requirements.
The article does not address the most important issue
How does he miss THAT??? Not a single sentence about NU's academic requirements.
" I’m not sure if it’s Northwestern’s high academic standards that are preventing this, or maybe Collins is having a hard time shedding his Duke DNA. Regardless, there needs to be a shift on this front or Northwestern will have an even harder time climbing out of the cellar."
That was against Duke at WR. The most exciting atmosphere I've ever seen at an NU game during my time. (Probably bested in 2017 I imagine.)Walker Lambiotte is still getting a blood transfusion from all the blood he lost in that game.
I get that Carmody had a unique offensive system and some nifty inbounds plays, but I still can't get over the concept that a supposed "master tactician" didn't seem to understand the value of offensive rebounding. I used to openly curse while watching all five of our guys turn and run back to the defensive end when a shot went up.
That's to say nothing of Carmody's appprehension about and de-emphasis of weight lifting and physical development because, essentially, he believed that it might deteriorate his players' skill level.
Northwestern could not rebound defensively, so why would you think that Carmody should have tried to emphasize offensive rebounding with the lack of physical talent that he had to work with. Getting back on defense was the better option with Northwestern's talent and athletic ability
Northwestern could not rebound defensively, so why would you think that Carmody should have tried to emphasize offensive rebounding with the lack of physical talent that he had to work with. Getting back on defense was the better option with Northwestern's talent and athletic ability
Is that why he got all of those Power 5 offers, after leaving NU, before settling on Holy CrossGetting back also allowed him the opportunity to set up the variety of zones he liked to implement; when they clicked it could be quite a bit for the opposition to handle.
Carmody had several flaws (we certainly do not need to relitigate his tenure for the billionth time), but it was easy to see that in-game strategy was a strength and as a result was held in high esteem by the coaching fraternity.
While I’m pleased that Collins in is Evanston (good fit, energy, higher ceiling), I do miss seeing the PO and 1-3-1 from time to time. Very pleasing basketball to watch when it was “on”.
Is that why he got all of those Power 5 offers, after leaving NU, before settling on Holy Cross
" I’m not sure if it’s Northwestern’s high academic standards that are preventing this, or maybe Collins is having a hard time shedding his Duke DNA. Regardless, there needs to be a shift on this front or Northwestern will have an even harder time climbing out of the cellar."
Well that's the honest to God truth. Sounds like you need a rest!Give it a rest, Willy.
I do miss seeing the PO and 1-3-1 from time to time.
I hope to avoid seeing the 1-3-1 again. Why give your opponent the baseline? I just have visions of alley oop dunks on Juice by OSU players every time I think about it.
Well that's the honest to God truth. Sounds like you need a rest!
“Excluding one single season”; ya know the greatest single season in the history of the program? Imagine the Cubs excluding one single season? LOL.
I get that Carmody had a unique offensive system and some nifty inbounds plays, but I still can't get over the concept that a supposed "master tactician" didn't seem to understand the value of offensive rebounding. I used to openly curse while watching all five of our guys turn and run back to the defensive end when a shot went up.
That's to say nothing of Carmody's appprehension about and de-emphasis of weight lifting and physical development because, essentially, he believed that it might deteriorate his players' skill level.
Northwestern could not rebound defensively, so why would you think that Carmody should have tried to emphasize offensive rebounding with the lack of physical talent that he had to work with. Getting back on defense was the better option with Northwestern's talent and athletic ability
"Oh well, better not try at all and get absolutely hammered by teams that can actually rebound."
It's chicken and egg. Carmody didn't put in the effort to recruit and/or develop higher-level athletes, then put in place a system that essentially ceded any attempt at rebounding. I hated it.
And WHERE is the manager of that Cubs team for that season?
And as already pointed out, the Cubs had other seasons of making the post season.
Fitz accomplished something with the FB program that hadn't been done in a long while - winning a bowl game.
But what do you think the sentiment would be if every season since that breakthrough resulted in missing the postseason?
BC understood it, but he also knew the limits of his roster, plus his scheme of spreading out shooters wasn't exactly conducive to rebounding.
The short while the Lakers ran the PO, they weren't a good rebounding team either.
Seem to recall Shurna, Crawford and others getting bigger and stronger.
Hearn was a beast who would bully his way to the basket.
Think it was Luka who actually gained too much mass and ended up slow.
Yep.
Again, it's also the limits of the scheme.
Carmody did recruit Crawford, Cobb and Lumpkin, who along with Swop and Hearn would have made for BC's most athletic team (a bit lacking in height/length so D would have been more of the emphasis than rebounding).
3 of them ended up being the core of the defense for CC's 1st team.
Carmody also changed things up when it came to recruiting his center, going for size/heft (Rowley) which didn't work out.
BC understood it, but he also knew the limits of his roster, plus his scheme of spreading out shooters wasn't exactly conducive to rebounding.
Have you seen NU’s record under Collins the past 3 years? Programs aren’t knocking down Collins’ door.....Is that why he got all of those Power 5 offers, after leaving NU, before settling on Holy Cross
BUT JORDAN LATHON!Have you seen NU’s record under Collins the past 3 years? Programs aren’t knocking down Collins’ door.....
Good. I think we're gonna be quite happy with Collins for a long time to come, and this is just the beginning.Have you seen NU’s record under Collins the past 3 years? Programs aren’t knocking down Collins’ door.....
Should't you be transferring , AGAIN?BUT JORDAN LATHON!
Yep. Kinda sloppy work from Seth (or his editor) on this.
The BIG wins argument really stuck out to me. If you go by conference win percentage Collins (.331) is only slightly better than Carmody (.313). There are certainly issues making a comparison between the two (sample sizes, state of program when taking over, strength of the conference, etc), but I think it shows that the previous regime was generally more consistent (albeit limited), whereas the current staff is more up and down (with a higher ceiling). This would have been my take prior to looking up the numbers, so while I'm personally optimistic when thinking about the future of the program, I could see how one could start to get antsy.
This trend is seemingly reflected in recruiting as well...although one could make the case that recruiting is somewhat a crapshoot to begin with.
Good. I think we're gonna be quite happy with Collins for a long time to come, and this is just the beginning.
Haters gonna hate. If NU basketball was a stock; would you buy or sell? Holding is not an option.
I think the next 3-4 years tell the tale with Collins ...
Is that why he got all of those Power 5 offers, after leaving NU, before settling on Holy Cross
Three or four years at most!
It's absolute make or break time. Fingers crossed to make it.
Carmody's systems maximized the chances that his teams could win based on their talent and athleticism-you can criticize the talent base but not how he prepared it to contest against far superior teams"Oh well, better not try at all and get absolutely hammered by teams that can actually rebound."
It's chicken and egg. Carmody didn't put in the effort to recruit and/or develop higher-level athletes, then put in place a system that essentially ceded any attempt at rebounding. I hated it.
Carmody's systems maximized the chances that his teams could win based on their talent and athleticism-you can criticize the talent base but not how he prepared it to contest against far superior teams
I think the next 3-4 years tell the tale with Collins. It takes a few years to get established in a program and if he keeps recruiting at the level he has recently I see more wins in our future. Bottom line if you cant recruit in modern college b-ball you have no shot at being good. The fact that he was able to bring in a good class after our on court struggles last year tells me he’s a developing recruiter and salesman for the program. Now he just needs to blend talent into better on court performances on a more consistent basis
The issue is that Carmody had 13 years to improve his "talent base" and showed neither the capability nor the conviction to do so via either improved recruiting or improved player development.
Oh sorry, did I miss all of those big time offers?Maybe you should think before you make a post !
The fact that 4 of his last 5 years constituted what was then the most successful stretch for NU hoops since the 1930s, breaking the old program wins record in 3 of those years, suggests to me that he did, in fact, improve those elements over his tenure.
Shurna was an All American, three time All BiG including one first team selection, and led the B1G in scoring. I see no one who has played in the Collins era who has a higher ceiling than John.I thought the last few years he had great talent.
I think some of the Collins recruits have higher ceilings, but Crawford, Cobb, Shurna....and that's just a sample...as talented as NU has had.
Here’s a fact; a statement you can’t refute; an argument you can’t win:
Collins took NU to the NCAA tournament where they won a first round game.
First time I've heard this posited as defense of a poor rebounding team.
Shouldn't the spread open up spaces for the other O players to rebound? Wouldn't they see the direction of the miss first?
Offensive rebounding under Carmody had little to nothing to do with the offensive scheme and everything do with the disparity in size, strength and athleticism. At times, it was like watching the Dream Team against Angola.
The issue is that Carmody had 13 years to improve his "talent base" and showed neither the capability nor the conviction to do so via either improved recruiting or improved player development.
And who's to say that BC wouldn't have eventually broken thru?
And CC has yet to do it (which he will) or just make the post season with entirely his recruits.
If Sanjay hadn't gotten mono, then injured and thus ending up taking a RS, no Sanjay and NO Tourney bid (kinda funny how those things end up working out).
Beilein, who had superior talent and ran a hybrid PO, ranks 10th in this dept.
You haven't been paying attention if you think BC didn't improve the talent level.
Now, some of the early struggles in recruiting had to do with BC and staff not having cultivated the relationships with Chicago/Suburban schools, but a big part was also having facilities that were embarrassing even for a powerhouse HS program.
The thing recruits (usually) most want to see on campus are the facilities, and what other P5 program had to make up excuses not to show recruits the facilities?
It's no coincidence that recruiting started to pick up after the renovations (while modest compared to most other programs, at least they were no longer embarrassing).
And I'd put up Coble, Juice, Shurna, Crawford, Cobb, Lumpkin, Hearn, Swop, Taphorn, Olah, Demps, etc. against the best who have played for CC in purple.
Making the postseason 4 years in a row (would have been 5 yrs, but for the injury riddled 2012-13 season) wouldn't have been possible without there being an improvement in recruiting, and such a streak has yet to be repeated.
But it's also tough to recruit when you're basically working on a year-to-year basis, with every off-season swirling with talk as to whether BC did enough to hold on to his job (which is why had stated that Phillips should have cut the cord sooner).
But even with those less than ideal recruiting conditions, BC was still able to land players like Jared Sina (ranked 87th by 247) and Kyle Abrahamson (ranked 134) even tho neither ended up panning out.
And but for the usual bad luck with injuries, BC would have done it.
You don't think a team with Coble, Juice, Shurna, Crawford and Cobb would have made it?
And CC still has yet to do it without an assist from BC (Lumpkin).
So explain the Lakers sucking at rebounding when they ran the PO for a short while?
And 4 of the "top" 5 coaches (with at least 10 years as a HC) with the worst average O rebounding teams ran the PO, with BC #3.
Beilein, who had superior talent and ran a hybrid PO, ranks 10th in this dept.
... we aren’t going to really know the potential of the program under him for 3-4 years realistically.