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So how exactly did Northwestern lose to Illinois State?

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I still don't get it.....

We've had some stinkers before.... Duke (when they were really bad), Army, New Hampshire, etc....

Still don't get the ISU loss though...
 
I still don't get it.....

We've had some stinkers before.... Duke (when they were really bad), Army, New Hampshire, etc....

Still don't get the ISU loss though...
Well, it was very similar to those three. Teams show up unprepared mentally or emotionally or physically and don't win.
 
I still don't get it.....

We've had some stinkers before.... Duke (when they were really bad), Army, New Hampshire, etc....

Still don't get the ISU loss though...

Duke - Fitz made a huge blunder by taking points off the board.

Army - the coaching staff making a huge blunder by not going w/ the passing QB (or at the very least, not making the change before the 4th Q) as Army's weakness on D was its secondary. Army's D played disciplined against the run - which is why they were able to slow down the NU QB-centric running attack despite not having the level of talent as P5 programs.

ISU - the O-line got their arses kicked and the rejigged secondary allowed for an inexperienced QB to pass for nearly 300 yds (tho did throw 2 INTs).

Have the least issue with the UNH loss; going into the game was nervous as their strengths (experienced QB and receivers) really hit the 'Cats' weakness (secondary) - and w/ the NU QB situation being relegated to 2 very raw QBs (until CJ got healthy), the 'Cats just couldn't keep up on the score-board.
 
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That Army game man,,,,,,jees then ISU ....ooops there goes the blood pressure,,,,,,
I think Fitz is a stubborn guy.....usually to his benefit but that Army game.....Army practiced everyday against a multiple attack running game.....Totally agree that we should have started chucking that ball around the field.....But Fitz,,,,hell or high water was going to have our OLine move Army ....and we were elephants trying to catch a mouse.........which brings up an interesting point . It seems that we have moved away from the Kain Coulter kind of spread offense and are recruiting QBs that are more pro-style yet with some mobility ....what do you think caused the change in philosophy?
 
That Army game man,,,,,,jees then ISU ....ooops there goes the blood pressure,,,,,,
I think Fitz is a stubborn guy.....usually to his benefit but that Army game.....Army practiced everyday against a multiple attack running game.....Totally agree that we should have started chucking that ball around the field.....But Fitz,,,,hell or high water was going to have our OLine move Army ....and we were elephants trying to catch a mouse.........which brings up an interesting point . It seems that we have moved away from the Kain Coulter kind of spread offense and are recruiting QBs that are more pro-style yet with some mobility ....what do you think caused the change in philosophy?

The Colter-Mark option seems like an aberration in Fitz's tenure. Bacher, Persa, Siemian and now Thorson could all throw pro-level passes on occasion but also run.

Not sure which loss was tougher, Army or ISU. I'd vote Army because it's so easily blamed on bad coaching decisions and an arrogance that Fitz flashes occasionally ... not to mention the freezing-cold boat ride home.
 
That Army game man,,,,,,jees then ISU ....ooops there goes the blood pressure,,,,,,
I think Fitz is a stubborn guy.....usually to his benefit but that Army game.....Army practiced everyday against a multiple attack running game.....Totally agree that we should have started chucking that ball around the field.....But Fitz,,,,hell or high water was going to have our OLine move Army ....and we were elephants trying to catch a mouse.........which brings up an interesting point . It seems that we have moved away from the Kain Coulter kind of spread offense and are recruiting QBs that are more pro-style yet with some mobility ....what do you think caused the change in philosophy?

It caused by not being able to recruit the right Dual Threat QB.
 
How did we lose to Miami of Ohio? New Hampshire? Army? Wake Forest?

How did the 1969 Cubs blow that division lead?

How did Buster Douglass KO Iron Mike?

How did Joe Namath pull off that Super Bowl win?

How does Roadrunner always escape Wily Coyote?


HJ are you embracing chaos theory here?
 
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That Army game man,,,,,,jees then ISU ....ooops there goes the blood pressure,,,,,,
I think Fitz is a stubborn guy.....usually to his benefit but that Army game.....Army practiced everyday against a multiple attack running game.....Totally agree that we should have started chucking that ball around the field.....But Fitz,,,,hell or high water was going to have our OLine move Army ....and we were elephants trying to catch a mouse.........which brings up an interesting point .

Not sure which loss was tougher, Army or ISU. I'd vote Army because it's so easily blamed on bad coaching decisions and an arrogance that Fitz flashes occasionally ... not to mention the freezing-cold boat ride home.

Fitz's stubbornness is one of his greatest weakness as a HC.

He sticks too much to his belief that players should win their individual battles.

Yeah, ideally they should - but in the case that they don't and repeatedly at that, need to switch to a different plan that would mitigate the inadequacies on the team.

In the Army game, Fitz was too stubborn in his belief that the 'Cats could force their will on Army and run on the cadets. But it's not like that was all they tried to do.

KC had 23 passing attempts to 10 carries.

The problem was that those 23 pass attempts resulted in 89 yds gained thru the air.

In contrast, Siemian's 7 passing attempts resulted in 105 yds.

That was the same thing when the offense repeatedly try to run the ball on a power set on 3rd down and short and repeatedly failed.

The O-line (probably thru a combo of recruiting preferences at the time and lack of development) just was incapable of sustaining the push needed to help a RB starting in the backfield make it to the LoS and then gain an additional yard or so.

Was clamoring for weeks for Fitz/McCall to use the QB sneak in those situations and they finally started to do so, but then McCall became overly reliant on it which resulted in Siemian's injury in the PU game (at that time, was hoping that McCall would be faking the QB sneak as the Boilers had what seemed like every defender up in the box).

And then there was the MOON game - in the 4th Q when McCall finally let Siemian "free" - the 'Cats mounted a furious comeback, traversing the length of the field twice and had the UM D on the ropes.

But FItz stuck w/ his plan to go for 2 and the win; a decision which was made earlier in the 4th Q w/ Fitz not revisiting the decision in light of the 'Cats moving the ball on UM's D.


The Colter-Mark option seems like an aberration in Fitz's tenure. Bacher, Persa, Siemian and now Thorson could all throw pro-level passes on occasion but also run.

Yep.


It caused by not being able to recruit the right Dual Threat QB.

The majority of DT QBs aren't the right recruit, as most aren't truly dual-threat.

The majority coming out of HS are below-average passers, having relied on their athleticism/speed.

Now some of these do end up developing into pretty good passers over the years in college, but more of them do not.

Which is why I have always been in favor of recruiting the more polished-passer type of QB who, while maybe not a running QB, has enough athleticism to scramble and extend plays.

Seems to be more of the type of QB the coaching staff has been recruiting lately.
 
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That Army game man,,,,,,jees then ISU ....ooops there goes the blood pressure,,,,,,
I think Fitz is a stubborn guy.....usually to his benefit but that Army game.....Army practiced everyday against a multiple attack running game.....Totally agree that we should have started chucking that ball around the field.....But Fitz,,,,hell or high water was going to have our OLine move Army ....and we were elephants trying to catch a mouse.........which brings up an interesting point . It seems that we have moved away from the Kain Coulter kind of spread offense and are recruiting QBs that are more pro-style yet with some mobility ....what do you think caused the change in philosophy?

Likely the realization of the coaches themselves of their grave mistakes with the Kain Colter experiment.
 
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