Thorson Torn ACL
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9 tends to be the quicker return. Getting fully back probably takes closer to 12-18 months That is a problem with the injury occurring in the Bowl game. Less time by a month or two for recovery prior to the next season. Remember Corey Wooten (sp) He sure was not the same when he came back. To be fair, I think his MCL was also involved.
Why not bring in a grad transfer, ASAP. Thorson can still remain on the roster during his surgery and rehab and it's been posted that NU still has two scholarships to give, so there's that. The QB's currently on the roster consist of a walk-on, with no Power 5 offers and two guys who were NU's second tier choices. Someone posted on the Rock that there are a pretty large contingent of potential grad transfers, so it does appear to be a possible option.
Would it possibly have to do with how his replacement does? I mean it one of the three really does well and progresses, would CT want to or would they want to bring back CT to start after a full year of the other guy playing and progressing?
I don't know where you get "fascination", I'm just asking a simple question. In TJ's case, it's more of a personal interest: his family lives near me, and TJ went to grade school with my daughter for a couple years.
I was always curious why he didn't get more offers, as he played well for one of the best HS programs in the KC metro. Even still, I thought he had a shot at appearing on the depth chart eventually. (YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BAKER MAYFIELD WON THE HEISMAN AND ALL. /s) Is he lacking physical development, mechanics/accuracy, or work ethic?
But CW sure was not the same when he came back. He got better during the season but even by the end, I don't think he got back to his pre injury level. Of course, I think his MCL was also involved and not sure the effect of that. I have a Brother in Law who is a nut and was supposedly back to playing club hockey within a month or two of ACL surgery.
To be fair, I don't think this is necessarily the timeline for trying to play at an elite level. One of the biggest problems is during that first 6 weeks, lose a lot of muscle so there is likely more to recovery
It seems that at least the plan is fairly clear.....We think our defense will again be solid....our running game should be good.....So conservative game plan where the QB is a game manager (where is Rex Grossman when you need him) with the ability to add to the run game....and pass enough to keep opposing defenses honest....AND not loose the game for us...Also the kicking game will be important and Hunter the Punter is gone correct? Also Luke Otto... Can we assume that the O-Line which should be an experienced line will be better and ready to go from the first game next year ? May also effect who ends up at Superback replacing Dickerson....may have to go with the best blocking SB....although Cameron Green seemed like he could be a really good receiver...was he a good blocker......or maybe we see a lot of that two SB look we saw a lot near the end of the year..............The problem is now different and appears it will need a new equation to solve it.
I'm with you Artie. I find it ironic that the people who say that he can't possibly be any good because he's a WO are some of the same who talk about the great no star and 2 star recruits we get. There are definitely exceptions, and you have to look at players case by case.
Consider - Green was our next man up if Alviti went down, so he's already at the top of the depth chart. He has bloodlines of a Pro Bowl QB and he had fantastic numbers and an impressive HS resume, winning Gatorade Player of the Year and USA Today Offensive Player of the Year honors in Missouri. He threw for 2,638 yards and 33 touchdowns his senior season, piloting his team to a 12-2 record and the MSHSAA Class 6 Championship game in St. Louis. Let's put it this way - his production was way more impressive than Jason Whittakers was in HS (cue GCG with his that's not how it works spiel) and the coaches had him ahead of Aidan Smith despite his WO status. Also consider that one reason he may not have been as highly recruited despite his HS production was because of his size - he was young as a recruit and fact grew a couple inches and is now taller than either Dan Persa or Kain Colter to a Zak Kustok like 6'2". I'm not saying I think he is going to beat out Marty and the field to be our QB, but why is it so hard to fathom that he is a legitimate candidate to contend for the job?
Where is Gladeskat to talk about the unheralded recruits when you need him?
I’m pretty sure Corey could throw a football in early September 2009 as well as he did pre-injury (~1/1/2009). It’s not like anyone would be asking Thorson to take on 300 pound tackles in early September of 2018.
Thorson’s got to be able plant and throw off that right leg, but he does not have to launch his body into an OL like Wootton...
Well, if he is ready to get out there with a brace and all, then Fitz needs to do the right thing and fire Cushing and get in someone who can build an OL that can protect him.
About all we have to go on is the current pecking order. That has been a pretty accurate indicator. My question is, was Alviti ahead of Green because of seniority and experience or did he significantly outperform green in practice?
I want to tread lightly here because I can't tell if you honestly think they are apples-to-apples comparisons to the Thorson situation, which involves a senior QB who may or may not be available to play all, some, or none of next season.
Did Klock or Otto even play this year?
Klock played blocking SB all year wearing #49. Otto made nearly every kickoff. So yeah, they played at the expense of scholarship players Fitz recruited.
Exactly. I think all of the doomsayers and those calling for grad transfers are misguided. I feel pretty confident that Thorson will still be our man next fall. He may miss a game or two, but he'll be back. Let's show him and the team the confidence we have in them. By the time of the combine in 2019, he'll be 100%. All the best to Clayton!
On the other side, Deshaun Watson hurt his in I think Week 6 or so? And he's now expected to be ready in time for OTAs. Jabari Parker in bball is sort of on the flip side as it's taken him ~12 months to recover
There clearly is a longer tail in plenty of circumstances, but it's a range starting as little as 6 months and going up to more than 12 months. Depending on the knee injury and the surgery. Which is prob why NU hasn't set any timetable yet.
I generally agree though it's not just mobility - I mean I'm not a doctor here but I would guess that if you come back while still in the process of working through / finishing up your rehab, then your knee might be more at risk of another tear. That's the primary issue of trying to come back too fast while the new knee ligaments are not yet 100% ready, right? More so than just ability to maneuver in the pocket.
I looked at the schedule, and my personal hope, if all goes well along the way, is that we could possibly have him practicing non contact in September, and then get him back after the bye week for the BIG B1G game to start conference season (excluding Purdue I guess) against Michigan on 9/29.
I hope you are right but I struggle to see how he gets back in time for the game against Purdue. If I am Thorson, I am going to make really sure I am fully healthy before coming back and even after he comes back, he is likely going to play with some hesitancy and be a little rusty. If he comes back under the “normal” timeframe of nine months, he likely will miss at least the first 4 games or 33% of the season. Given all this, I just don’t see how NU can count on Thorson for next season unless we are willing to risk taking a big step back next year. I just don’t think that is in the program’s best interest and therefore it is incumbent on FItz to have a contingency plan. Perhaps they are comfortable enough with the current underclassmen at QB as their contingency plan. If not, the responsible thing to do is to consider a grad transfer who could come in and act a bridge between Thorson and some of the promising young QBs that we have recruited.
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He hasn't even had surgery yet so they don't know if his meniscus is a mess......
There's really no normal time-frame here. After his surgery they'll figure out how long his recovery will take and when he'll come back. And after that it'll depend on whether he's faster or slower than that timetable.
CT'll either be 100% by August or sometime in late September or later. There is no way to be able to forecast anything with that kind of time-range.
He'll either be our QB the whole season or for 9-10 games or less. It's way too speculative right now.
Right. That’s why you wait until he has surgery to get a better idea. If the post surgery prognosis for recovery is lengthier than expected or still uncertain, then I think you have to at least explore the grad transfer option.
Good point. One would think the MRI would already have identified the extent of the injury, but not necessarily the case. I had surgery for a meniscus tear in August after an MRI, but the extent of the tear was reportedly not evident until the surgery itself.
One would think the MRI would already have identified the extent of the injury, but not necessarily the case. I had surgery for a meniscus tear in August after an MRI, but the extent of the tear was reportedly not evident until the surgery itself.
I second that. Years ago I had three meniscus arthroscopies done over about a 5-year period. All were successful procedures, but the damage each fixed was not apparent on MRI in any of them. ln fact the last one may have even been done without a preliminary MRI, I don't remember. I just recall the surgeon's words that meniscus damage can sometimes only be verified by drilling in -- and I saw the pictures he took each time.
Alaska, I hope your surgical results were as good as mine were each time.
I second that. Years ago I had three meniscus arthroscopies done over about a 5-year period. All were successful procedures, but the damage each fixed was not apparent on MRI in any of them. ln fact the last one may have even been done without a preliminary MRI, I don't remember. I just recall the surgeon's words that meniscus damage can sometimes only be verified by drilling in -- and I saw the pictures he took each time.
Alaska, I hope your surgical results were as good as mine were each time.
Thanks.
This actually was my second and I am now no longer hobbling with a limp or experiencing discomfort. (Both knees were struck by knee airbags that went off when I was T-boned by a red light runner.)
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