Baz=Heisman said:

Major college sports are breaking, and rather quickly. I’m just sad.

Probably going to be completely destroyed if/when players are all paid a salary directly by a school (currently delayed by the courts on a technicality but not indefinitely).

I don’t think anyone had any issues with players getting $ for LEGITIMATE NIL (jersey sales cut, appearance fees for speaking at school sponsor events, etc.) but these NIL “collectives” have gotten completely out of control with no signs yet that they’ll be reigned in.

The world we grew up in no longer exists 😢.

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fcmchi said:

If a student bookie out of Notre Dame was able to fix NU football and basketball games in the early ‘90’s, it will only get worse with the proliferation of legal gambling.

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Baz=Heisman said:

We “just” need to get to 6-6 and Detroit with this schedule after last year’s work. I’m not giving up on that yet but also realize we have zero margin for error now. Have to win the home games at the lake and at Maryland and at Purdue. Possible? Yes. Difficult? Hell yes. But if Cam comes back and Jack feels more comfortable after the bye we’ve at least got a chance.

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NUCat320 said:

And, Northwestern looks worse than I expected. I expected some dynamism in the offense, but neither Henning nor Kirtz have made many plays, and the tight ends have regressed

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FeralFelidae said:

I just chose 30% as a back of the envelope calculation because the math is easy. Obviously each game should have its own individual odds, some will be higher than 30% and some will be lower. The math just becomes more complicated. I was just trying to make the point that we're not expected to lose every single game, even if the other team is favored in all of them.

I wrote a program that can calculate it, if you assign each game a percentage. Somebody else here (@ricko654321 I think?) used to do Monte Carlo simulations, which doesn't calculate the "exact" number but gets you really, really close.

To clarify:
The calculation for expected number of wins is easy: it's just the sum of the probability we assign to winning each individual game. If each game is 30%, with 8 games remaining, then it's just 8 X 0.3. If we assign a different probability to each game, then sum them.

My program or the Monte Carlo simulations is required if you want to calculate the odds of bowling. What are the odds of winning 6 or more games? That calculation gets much more complicated.

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TheC said:

I'm confused about how all this works. Do the college players actually sign contracts?

Our grad students in my program here get a stipend and benefits. Though they are students and not employees, it is very much set up like an employer/employee relationship with a standard agreement. Not sure why this stuff with college athletes can't be more regulated and organized. No pro player would play without a contract.

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Gatabowl said:

It’s been so embarrassing that applications and donations have skyrocketed.

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The Deion Sanders effect: Colorado sees record number of applications, including 50% spike from Black students

High school students want them some Coach Prime.

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AdamOnFirst said:

Gambling was illegal during all of that, so much good that prohibition did.

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TheC said:

I'm confused about how all this works. Do the college players actually sign contracts?

Our grad students in my program here get a stipend and benefits. Though they are students and not employees, it is very much set up like an employer/employee relationship with a standard agreement. Not sure why this stuff with college athletes can't be more regulated and organized. No pro player would play without a contract.

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AdamOnFirst said:

From what I've seen stupidity/culpability on the part of the Sluka campt too. Their claim is that the UNLV OC "verbally promised" him "at least $100,000" if he came to UNLV. Sluka, his family, and his agent's next act was to... enroll at UNLV and start (after finishing his degree at Holy Cross, missing spring practice). He didn't say okay, set up a meeting with the collective, he didn't ask to talk to the donors, he didn't even talk to the head coach.

Finally like months later they offered him $12,000 and he went to the head coach, who basically told him that whatever the OC said didn't count.

Even if it was the head coach, the head coach doesn't hold the check book and doesn't make the payment. You say okay, set up a meeting with the collective, are you allowed to attend? They're who you're actually directly dealing with. I understand the coach maybe has to commit to helping raise the money or whatever. But some OC says something verbally and you just act on that?

Stupidity all around.

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curdog said:

“Increased the profile of the university” I guess is one way of putting it. Embarrassing the university is another (calling out the media, throwing the team under the bus when they lose, running off players). 4-8 last year and I predict the same this year.

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fcmchi said:

We NU fans had a taste of gambling changing outcomes in the ‘90’s. Dennis Lundy was caught up in that affair.

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NUCat320 said:

@AdamOnFirst , @Purple Pile Driver , were you avid gamblers prior to the launch of free, legal, online outlets?

I’ve had friends who regularly gambled through ‘their guy’ (I never investigated further), but it was mostly football Saturdays and Sundays, considered decisions, never spur of the moment. It was, say, part of the Friday afternoon routine. Weird, not my bag, but not particularly destructive or risky.


The primary problem with ‘the apps’ is that they’re so good at separating you from cash. Changing in-game odds, low-odd parlays, all built to make you feel good for making the bet, whether you win or not. So different from what it looked like ‘traditionally’.

I tend to come from the same place as @TheC*, where limitations on advertising, perhaps allowable bets per day, perhaps types of bets allowed on apps, would probably be good things.





*On most issues, I think I have a similar viewpoint to TheC, except that I don’t call for the OC, the DC, the Head Coach, the PA announcer, and the entire training and equipment management staff to be fired by the end of the first half. When the Cats are bad, it’s gallows humor for me only.

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Gatabowl said:

First it was he was a bad coach and Colorado wouldn’t do anything.

Now it’s he’s going to abandon them for a big job because another school thinks he’s a good coach.

Even if he does leave, he’s increased the profile of the university, increased the number of black applicants substantially, and begun to turn around arguably the worst P5 program. You can hate his personality but it’s been quite the journey.

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Gatabowl said:

First it was he was a bad coach and Colorado wouldn’t do anything.

Now it’s he’s going to abandon them for a big job because another school thinks he’s a good coach.

Even if he does leave, he’s increased the profile of the university, increased the number of black applicants substantially, and begun to turn around arguably the worst P5 program. You can hate his personality but it’s been quite the journey.

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peatymeanis said:

You think we're better than UCLA?

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