HailToPurple said:

However, in his role as a student, particularly as a varsity athlete, the university cannot change that role from student to employee. You can be one or the other, but you can't be both at the same time.

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Southport Cat said:

I am struggling to understand how being an athlete is part of their role as a student, but working in the cafeteria is not. On what grounds is this distinction made?

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Southport Cat said:

This is only true if you continue to irrationally (in my view) cling to an arbitrary and outdated notion of “amateurism,” a concept the NCAA invented in the 1950s that has almost no bearing on the sports or professional worlds of today.

Then yes, you are right, if amateurism as defined by a government-created NGO in the first decade of the 1900s is the North Star of this discussion then you are totally correct and the rest of us should simply sit down.

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HailToPurple said:

A university can employee a student for tasks not associated with his role as student. Some examples are cafeteria help, library tasks, etc. These are roles that anyone can fill, student or non-student, because they are independent of any student activity.

However, in his role as a student, particularly as a varsity athlete, the university cannot change that role from student to employee. You can be one or the other, but you can't be both at the same time.

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HailToPurple said:

And if that 18-year-old wants to get a job with a pro or semi-pro football team that will hire him and pay him millions of dollars a year I have absolutely no problem with it. I wish him well.

But becoming a university student is an entirely different thing and a different world. His first obligation is to the university in return for the scholarship that he is given. Taking advantage of that to separately receive millions of dollars simply by lending his name to some commercial product is in my view morally corrupt. He has done nothing to earn that money.

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HailToPurple said:

You continue to mistakenly equate pro athletes to college scholarship athletes. They are not in the same category, so your argument that they should be treated and compensated the same is virtually meaningless.

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CMcCat said:

You are going too easy on the university. It is the entity which is initiating the relationship with the player. The player is responding to an opportunity made available by the university.

The issue is the university is providing this opportunity which is converting the student into an employee. The university can make the decision, as UChicago did in leaving the Big Ten, that the opportunity being provided does not align with its vision for its students.

The focus of this discussion should be on the university, not the student.

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CMcCat said:

I have previously stated on these pages that I competed at WRA in the Southern Comfort Great Shooters Neft Hoop competition.

I was also a member of the 1988 Res Hall championship intramural football team and threw the only TD pass given up by the Kellogg team the entire season which turned what might have otherwise been a mere playoff loss by several touchdowns to those evil bastards into a wild celebration that rages to this day when my deep pass arced over the outstretched fingers of a seven-footer who had been chasing me around the backfield all day but somehow on this final play was trying to keep up with our fleet reciever who gathered the ball into his arms and got us on the board at the buzzer in a fashion that was repeated years later by Sam Simmons in Minnesota except our score was even more unlikely and stupendous and rendered entirely meaningless the fact we lost the game by five or six touchdowns.

So, yeah, I was a college athlete.

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HailToPurple said:

And if that 18-year-old wants to get a job with a pro or semi-pro football team that will hire him and pay him millions of dollars a year I have absolutely no problem with it. I wish him well.

But becoming a university student is an entirely different thing and a different world. His first obligation is to the university in return for the scholarship that he is given. Taking advantage of that to separately receive millions of dollars simply by lending his name to some commercial product is in my view morally corrupt. He has done nothing to earn that money.

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HailToPurple said:

I didn’t realize that a poster here had to have previously been a college athlete in order to be able to express an opinion on the subject at hand. If that is the case, then the following people need to state whether or not they were college athletes before creating any further posts in this thread:

WestCoastWildcat, mickbula, CapppyNU, Purple Pile Driver, Vassar69, phatcat, AdamOnFirst, TheC, Sheffielder, prez77, FeralFelidae, CMcCat, corbi296, FLCaa07, FightNorthwestern, AtlantaCat, CatManTrue, EagerFan, and NoChores.

I was not.

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Catreporter said:

Golf, softball, lacrosse and field hockey! NU is definitely a women's sports powerhouse.

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Catreporter said:

That was their chance to get to the super sectional, but still a great effort by this team this season despite having only one reliabke pitcher. Kate has her work cut out for her next year bolstering the mound corps.

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No Chores said:

Sadly, the 'Cats lost to Clemson today 1-0 in nine innings. Another fabulous game by Boyd in a losing effort.

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