True. I don't know how anyone can take something Turk says seriously.
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True. I don't know how anyone can take something Turk says seriously.
This Zion Williamson case is really blowing up right now with massive adverse consequences for Duke basketball. Duke or not, that is not a quagmire that I would want to stumble into as a freshman basketball player.
Given everything else going on, a kid might want to stay a little bit closer to home (but not TOO close - I'm not sure I would want my dad looking over my shoulder at all of the shenanigans I got up to in college...)
Given everything else going on, a kid might want to stay a little bit closer to home (but not TOO close - I'm not sure I would want my dad looking over my shoulder at all of the shenanigans I got up to in college...)
definitely not Duke. I think Collins feels good about this but don't count out Wisconsin. I've actually looked at every recruiting site and it isn't set up this way, in fact Duke is #1. But it really doesn't seem to be the case that Duke will be in any top 3. In fact, imo, it will come down to Wisconsin and NU but I feel good about this one, although it is purple bias since it would be a serious letdown if he did in fact choose Wisconsin over us Purple people readers.
Went to the Duke board and they are saying that he is just being nice to put NU on his list and really has zero interest. Exact opposite of what you are saying Turk. This board even agrees that it is a longshot for him to come here.
What does Gladeskat science say?
I choose to like NU's chances here, too. What a coup that would be!
Yes but I think if Baldwin commits there will be a domino effect and the remaining prospects we are in the running for(Christie, Bates, Adkins, Hunter and Bates) May commit quickly. Baldwin to me is the most important of the commits not because of his ranking but because of his skill set. A 6’10 player who can shoot, handle the ball and rebound. Pair him with Nance who has similar skills as well as Kopp and ball handlers such as Roper, Berry, boo and that has the makings of a top ten team
There is one angle that i have yet to see anyone discuss. One thing about athletes, and you can use Jordan as an example, is do they make the talent around them better.
Baldwin coming to NU would surely showcase that and in many respects make him even more valuable in the eyes of pro scouts and coaches.
Maybe I am focused on the players in the mid 80's and early 90's but it sure seems over the past thirty years, North Carolina players have been much better pro's than Duke players. North Carolina under Dean Smith had a system and you either played in that system and made everyone around you better or you didn't play.
Compared to Duke who had a player here and there make it in the Pros...Grant Hill, most of the Bobby Hurleys and Christian Laettner's were great college ball players but could not do it at the Pro level. let alone take their dominance in college and on that Duke team and transfer it to the NBA.
Baldwin coming to NU would surely showcase that and in many respects make him even more valuable in the eyes of pro scouts and coaches.
Maybe I am focused on the players in the mid 80's and early 90's but it sure seems over the past thirty years, North Carolina players have been much better pro's than Duke players. North Carolina under Dean Smith had a system and you either played in that system and made everyone around you better or you didn't play.
Compared to Duke who had a player here and there make it in the Pros...Grant Hill, most of the Bobby Hurleys and Christian Laettner's were great college ball players but could not do it at the Pro level. let alone take their dominance in college and on that Duke team and transfer it to the NBA.
I don't disagree entirely with the jist of what you are saying, but to characterize Grant Hill as a "great ball player but could not do it at the pro level" is a bit unfair. The guy was a five time NBA all star.
Danny Ferry was "can't miss." He hung around, nothing to be ashamed of. But the gap between what was expected and what came to pass...not insignificant.
That narrative slowly changed over the last 10 years, especially with Coach K embracing the one and done.
Zion Williamson, JJ Reddick, Kyrie Irving, Jayson Tatum, Elton Brand, Shane Battier, Brandon Ingram, Luol Dong, Justice Winslow to name a few.
Yeah I think Duke has approximately double the number of current NBA players compared to UNC.
Yeah, the UNC makes better pros argument is definitely a thirty years ago thing.
CURRENT UNC PROS:
- Harrison Barnes, Sacramento Kings
- Tony Bradley, Utah Jazz
- Reggie Bullock, New York Knicks
- Vince Carter, Atlanta Hawks
- Ed Davis, Utah Jazz
- Wayne Ellington, New York Knicks
- Danny Green, Los Angeles Lakers
- John Henson, Detroit Pistons
- Justin Jackson, Dallas Mavericks
- Cameron Johnson, Phoenix Suns
- Nassir Little, Portland Trail Blazers
- Theo Pinson, Brooklyn Nets
- Coby White, Chicago Bulls
- Marvin Williams, Milwaukee Bucks
- Grayson Allen – Memphis Grizzlies[23]
- Marvin Bagley III – Sacramento Kings[24]
- RJ Barrett – New York Knicks[25]
- Wendell Carter Jr. – Chicago Bulls[26]
- Quinn Cook – Los Angeles Lakers[27]
- Seth Curry – Dallas Mavericks[28]
- Harry Giles – Sacramento Kings[29]
- Rodney Hood – Portland Trail Blazers[30]
- Brandon Ingram – New Orleans Pelicans[31]
- Kyrie Irving – Brooklyn Nets[32]
- Frank Jackson – New Orleans Pelicans[33]
- Tyus Jones – Memphis Grizzlies[34]
- Luke Kennard – Detroit Pistons[35]
- Semi Ojeleye – Boston Celtics[36] (did not finish college career at Duke)
- Jahlil Okafor – New Orleans Pelicans[37]
- Jabari Parker – Atlanta Hawks[38]
- Mason Plumlee – Denver Nuggets[39]
- JJ Redick – New Orleans Pelicans[40]
- Austin Rivers – Houston Rockets[41]
- Cam Reddish – Atlanta Hawks[42]
- Jayson Tatum – Boston Celtics[43]
- Gary Trent Jr. – Portland Trail Blazers[44]
- Justise Winslow – Memphis Grizzlies
- Zion Williamson – New Orleans Pelicans[45]
Yeah but what he posted was confirmed by WickerPark so that's two posters reporting it.
Also, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and Manti Teo’s girlfriend.
It doesn't matter what Glades says, his opinion is not supported by evidence. The Blue Fairy at the bottom of the garden is a reputable source. Don't count out Wisconsin but Collins has to feel good about this. It's coming down to Wisconsin and NU from what the fairy said. Again, I know the gurus are all saying Duke Duke Duke. NOT HAPPENING!
this kind of stuff doesn't matter to everyone at the same level - but it matters. NU has a long way to go in certain areas
I agree it matters for the players and the fan base. Is it that difficult of a bar to cross?
TOS has a nice interview update today. G-Town, NU, Duke and UNC standing out. Others mentioned including UWM. Talks about being a part of a Big 2021 NU class with Christie and a couple more.
GOUNUII
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