Benson transferring? Whoa!
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Ooooo!! Good catch!!
For the high and mighty who want to hold coaches accountable for injuries, Tolic definitely makes the list - 23 games in four years.
Why bring up BC? (Oh, yeah...)
While BB intending to transfer is a bit surprising (considering that he was likely going to see a decent amount of playing time), wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to play a bigger role at a smaller program (and have a greater chance at making it to the NCAAs next season to boot).
While it is a bit disconcerting to have all these transfers at the same time, not really surprising.
What's more disconcerting is that so many of these 4* recruits haven't really panned out (which is why, I've never got so hung up on * and national rankings, unlike some).
If this continues, the staff is going to have to reconsider the type of recruits that they go after (like I have stated, too many wings who aren't particularly good at shooting or driving to the basket).
Over the past week or 2, there have also been posters bringing up the facilities and admissions as detriments to the program (preventing sustained success), but those things equally (if not more so) applied during the previous regime.
Add to that, the previous regime had to start w/ the mess that was left them by KON and elevated the program to the best level its ever been in the modern era; so CC was starting at a better place.
If the 'Cats play to the level of expectations next season, that will make 6 out of 7 season missing the post-season.
Some may scoff at the NIT, but playing in the NIT means that the team was a bubble team, meaning that they had a shot at making it to the NCAAs and that games towards the end pf the season counted (which makes for much more engaging viewership).
In addition, helps recruiting (pitching to a recruit that he's the missing piece to a Tourney team is better than trying to convince him that things will get turned around).
My concern is that these 2 back-to-back crappy seasons will bring to a halt the recruiting momentum coming from the Tourney season.
Need another good recruiting class (and not just on paper) and JJ to sign.
Well, at least the staff can now pitch playing time.
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I don't take him back on the team but I let him finish school, without any repercussions, if that is what he wants to do.
I haven't given the issue much thought and fail to see what that has anything to do with the issue we are discussing?
I'm actually quite excited to see the young kids get all the minutes next year. Sure we will take our lumps, but I think it will make us a better team in 2-3 years. Ash, Benson and injured Falzon did nothing for me. We won't miss them.
Agree, but it still comes down to bringing in a large, strong 2020 class to supplement the roster.
OK, so it's just your wild-assed guess based on no solid information.
Isn’t shooting and driving to the basket the definition of what a wing does on O?
Thanks. FWIW, I believe MT-1 left because he had a heart condition. Hard to blame that on the coaching staff.
Its nothing like this at all. I remember that because that was my class at NU. Those guys were all young, exciting players with lots of potential (including a future NBA'er) who left after one season. The guys today are all low level reserves who aren't really BIG level players and also have got their NU degree already. Not even remotely close.
If Nance and Kopp were to leave, then it would be a player revolt.
My bad. Kenilworth is correct. He is one street over from Winnetka. He lives behind a close friend of mine in Winnetka.
At least wrassler wont be posting about Ash anymore! LOL
The only real loss is BB- not because he would be very good, but because we could have used his size and 5 fouls since the 5 spot is currently basically a redshirt frosh. Realistically Benson would have likely been the worst starting center in the Big 10.
The team wasn't going to be good next year anyway, so I don't understand all the angst over guys who have graduated leaving for more on court success (at a lower level) in their final year of b-ball. They earned that choice.
I don't totally disagree with you. My point is this has a similar vibe. Walters played two years at NU. His first year was nondescript. His Sophomore year was his breakout year. He then sat out before his two years at Kansas. His NBA career, though long was below average. Holmes had a mediocre career at Rice. Pedersen was rock solid at St. Louis and Nixon was fairly good at BYU. Our three guys here that have left, came in with some promise, but due to injury, development etc. didn't blossom. Add Rap to the equation and that's four guys who you state, "aren't B1G level players". Well then why the heck were they recruited to a B1G program and why were most of us excited about them when they inked their LOI???
That block of that particular street is Winnetka on both sides. It becomes Kenilworth slightly to the east.
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The bummer is that three of these current guys were 4-star recruits. It seemed like they'd be BIG level guys, but for various reasons, it didn't pan out.
247 has ranked them the 5th,10th,11th and 19th highest NU recruits since circa 2000.
I believe Ash, Falzon, and BB were all more highly rated coming out of HS than pardon. Tells you how much the recruiting "experts" know...
But he was no longer a student athlete. And didn't he say that he was transferring? It was bad all around. But to your point, CCC does deserve some for that. However, it was his first recruiting class, he had a lot of spots to fill, he was trying to catch some lightning in a bottle with Vassar and it did not work out so I will cut him some slack on it. But I will take the rest of that class. I am more ready to hold him accountable for Brown as it was a couple years later and he had already had the Vassar situation.
We were including Rap in this conversation. He was a 4 star I thought.
Rationalize much? Please, spare me your bs arguements. Collins recruited him, offered him a scholarship and then decided he didn't Want him on the team. That’s the coach’s prerogative to change his mind but it is the University’s ethical responsibility to honor the scholarship offer if the player decides to continue on as a student. The fact that Vassar initially said he intended to transfer is irrelevant. The kid changed his mind and in my view the University has the responsibility to honor his scholarship for the full four year period.
It's not just your view. Big Ten basketball scholarships are four-year guarantees.
That seems like an especially long delay in taking action. Had heard that it was on a recruiting trip. Did he visit more than once and could it have been on a different trip? Whole thing just seems odd.
But should the scholarship be an athletic scholarship if no longer an athlete counting against the total? One thing to convert it as in a medical retirement but in this case it was not converted?
If you are reading the other thread, there may have been a hint offered. If correct, doesn't surprise me at all that it would take four and half months to talk to witnesses, hold internal meetings, monitor law enforcement decision making, etc. Heck, that complaint itself could have arisen some time after the visit.
He would be missing the lovefest that I am throwing his way.
I wonder if that fact I share an opinion with him has him second guessing his position...
For Falzon and Ash that is definitely true. Less sure about Benson. Unless he sees things in practice where Young is significantly ahead of him and the threat that Jones/Nash were also putting him in the rear view mirror. If so it also would make sense
Should he be on athletic scholarship at that point or should it be changed to some other form?
