Braun’s future
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Or we become a big boy and pay him. I have no doubt that is the Vanderbilt, Duke and Stanford plan. It should be ours too.
Why? Explain to me. Why should a university pay a student to play sports?
I can understand the work/study job argument. (Other students are paid to work for the school, why not athletes)
I can understand the free tuition.
Beyond that, there is no logic to support the idea.
So, please, spell it out.
"Everybody else is doing it" is not an argument, as any parent knows.
Because the university probably still comes out ahead on publicity, revenue, etc. Especially if the payment is from third-party NIL.
Well, then they are terribly under performing. With all the money in the world, you would expect the holy grail of coaching and routine top ten presence from day 1 of nil. How bizarre. Guess money doesn’t move the needle as much as expected.
Football? Or are the bball players playing football too? Just keeps getting harder to understand.
NU has little to do with BTN’s access to Chicago. There are more alums of other schools here than NU alums.
I am not miserable. NU Football fundamentally changed during the summer of 2023.
Hey, I was a devoted NU Football fan for 38 years. Nothing lasts forever. Including college football. I accept that.
The current basketball HC (who’s a SLC native and LDS) moved from the Suns to BYU in April 2024. Then the checkbook really opened.
You can just admit you don’t know what you’re talking about. I promise, it will be fine.
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BYU is undefeated and top 10 right now in football and looking like a near lock to make the playoffs if they win out in the regular season (which they're favored to do).
And they're about to toss millions at a top basketball prospect...
“Why should we pay all that money?”
“Because it’s a good return on investment.”
Seems… like that’s the whole point.
Because the players, by and large, are the value creators. We're talking billions of dollars and the players get a pittance for their efforts
Look, NU can open a pot dispensary on campus an make money from that too.
No one has presented anything resembling an argument as to why NU should pay some students to play football and basketball while charging all the other students $80,000 a year to get the same education as those paid athletes.
Look at the money flow... The parents of the "real students" are paying tuition. The university takes that tuition and pays other students to play football and basketball.
It is asinine on its face.
I'm hoping you guys are confusing NIL with "athletes paid by the university" because at least there's a case to be made for NIL.
If NU wants to pay athletes, that money HAS to come from alumni/benefactor contributions and a separate fund specifically for that purpose.
NU isn’t paying a single dime of the NIL money, then when revenue sharing kicks in it comes out of the Department of Athletics.
Revenue sharing is exactly what it sounds like, athletes getting a cut of revenue generated by athletics (i.e. TV contracts, etc.). NU gets all of the upside and none of the downside.
It’s not like paying a football player has an impact on tuition costs for non-athletes.
The most passionate free market capitalists in the world lose their mind over this issue— which is that labor should be compensated a fair-market wage.
The NCAA is perhaps the most draconian and irrational — and in many ways, except the important one, ineffective — market-distorter that we’ve ever seen.
“But why don’t these players create their own league below the NFL?! Because nobody would watch them!”
“Because the NCAA and member schools spent a century building market-distorting switching costs.”
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No no no no no, remember, they used to share those charts that show how athletics brings the university down. Amusingly, those charts always assumed that full-pay students were bring displaced.
College sticker prices are also, notably, a huge lie.
That is somewhat misstated, though I understand your point.
Full tuition is exactly what the sticker says. Tuition alone is $67,000.
Total costs estimated at $90,000 - 95,000 per year. (NU says room and board $20,000+)
At Northwestern some form of NU scholarship is given to 45% of students.
Northwestern says 22% of students qualify for a Pell Grant, which is based on financial resources.
That maxes out at $7500 a year or so.
Student loans are counted as financial aid.
I have seen estimates that 42% are paying the full sticker price.
However, as you indicated, most incoming students receive some form of financial aid.
Northwestern says that "most" students who come from a family earning less than $60,000 a year attends NU at zero cost.
Northwestern says that "most" students who come from a family earning less than $150,000 a year pay no tuition.
Cost of Attendance: Undergraduate Financial Aid - Northwestern University
undergradaid.northwestern.edu
This thread has obviously wandered off topic (Braun's future).
I'll start a new thread tomorrow to focus on direct payments to (some) athletes.
I'll start a new thread tomorrow to focus on direct payments to (some) athletes.
How to say “I don’t know the first thing about college sport economics” without saying it
Maybe you can get the Chicago Cubs to play for the "love of the wonderful game of baseball" as well and some free meals at local establishments.
Good luck with that.
Hear hear. Athletic scholarships are a scam. A pittance compared to what the athletes (Football/MBB) generate for the school and the various remorae that are the other Athletic teamsThat is somewhat misstated, though I understand your point.
Full tuition is exactly what the sticker says. Tuition alone is $67,000.
Total costs estimated at $90,000 - 95,000 per year. (NU says room and board $20,000+)
At Northwestern some form of NU scholarship is given to 45% of students.
Northwestern says 22% of students qualify for a Pell Grant, which is based on financial resources.
That maxes out at $7500 a year or so.
Student loans are counted as financial aid.
I have seen estimates that 42% are paying the full sticker price.
However, as you indicated, most incoming students receive some form of financial aid.
Northwestern says that "most" students who come from a family earning less than $60,000 a year attends NU at zero cost.
Northwestern says that "most" students who come from a family earning less than $150,000 a year pay no tuition.
Cost of Attendance: Undergraduate Financial Aid - Northwestern University
They pay for the women's scholarships. The NFL doesn't have women's scholarships.
The downside is at the doorstep. Once players are employees there are more obligations for the employer, especially in a hazardous occupation such as football.
This is yet another reason the endgame is a close affiliation with the NFL. 30-36 colleges can maintain their association with big time football, their alums can revel on Saturday and the university is not encumbered with all the complications.
Ok, of course i will defer to you since you are handsomely compensate in the college football realm reflective of your knowledge base.
When I get the personal insults, I know my substantive post was spot on and indefensible 🤷♂️
A big part of that was continued subpar O-line play.
Helps to have a historical great D and the best RB the Cats have had since the 90s.
Still, Thorson got to play with the 2 NU WRs in recent history to have made an NFL roster, a pretty good superback/TE who had a shot at the pros but retired from football and Jets (who single-handedly could put the O/QB in manageable 3rd downs.
Siemian's near 2 year tenure as the starter was hampered by numerous injuries to starters, not to mention the transfer of their best weapon; despite that, Siemian in his last season managed wins over Penn State, Wisky and the Domers, and should have been a 4-fecta against UM, but for horrible coaching decisions.
But agree that McC's R&R system was a horrible one for college ball because it made things overly-complicated for Wildcat players (while not necessarily making things complicated for opposing Ds to decipher; which is why it's mind-boggling that Fitz repeated the mistake on the other side of the ball by hiring his buddy), which required experienced players at all position groups to be successful/on the same page (which rarely happens at the collegiate level, especially at a non-FB factory like NU).
Think some are being too tough on Ramsey and Bryant; both would have put up better nos if they weren't constantly running for their lives.
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Northwestern football never wins without a real QB.
This season was a lost cause and somehow Braun still has the team in path for a bowl game.
He is a hell of a coach. And I bet bigger programs want to hire him now.
