Up 8 with 4 minutes to go and we decide to stop running the offense and try to kill the clock????
This one’s on the Coach. Should have had this one.
This one’s on the Coach. Should have had this one.
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Up 8 with 4 minutes to go and we decide to stop running the offense and try to kill the clock????
This ones on the Coach. Should have had this one.
Agree completely.,I generally like what Collins has done this year. But he should have showed more confidence in his team and let them keep playing.It’s the most frustrating part of the Collins regime. He seems not to learn from it, as it happens again and again. Combine that with a young team that freezes up anyway and that doesn’t have confidence.
Up 8 with 4 minutes to go and we decide to stop running the offense and try to kill the clock????
This one’s on the Coach. Should have had this one.
i get the argument about stall ball, but beran got 2 wide open looks. on the other end PU needed shots and they made them.
likewise the cats end up running offense from 12 seconds left on the clock at many points in the game - not just the end.
what was more disappointing was the lack of defense - gave up 10-12 points in a row without a stop. what was the lead 58-49? and the team definitely suffers from the "clutch gene
Those were not terrible looks for Beran. But he's a true freshman. At the end of the shot clock. When NU doesn't need three points. Surely that can't be the best option.i get the argument about stall ball, but beran got 2 wide open looks. on the other end PU needed shots and they made them.
likewise the cats end up running offense from 12 seconds left on the clock at many points in the game - not just the end.
what was more disappointing was the lack of defense - gave up 10-12 points in a row without a stop. what was the lead 58-49? and the team definitely suffers from the "clutch gene
We are there. 3-13 in games decided by five points or less last two seasons. Those aren’t games decided by admissions, injuries or transfers. Those are competitive games where NU was in it down to the end. That’s 16 opportunities to win — and 13 failures.
I thought this summed it up really well. Tough night for the Cats.
They were stalling. Spencer with back to the basket until :15.
Thanks for the input. Good clutch finish by the Boilers; congrats on the win. BUT, with such an inexperienced group as ours, I would argue that what NU should be doing at the end of tight games is to find out who can make things HAPPEN that will put the game away. We learned nothing tonight except that “stall ball” (which anyone SHOULD be able to do without screwing it up) can put the team into a virtual coma and provides players with the mental “down time”, while standing around, to let the “here we go again” negative thoughts into their collective psyche. We’ve learned THAT enough times; we didn’t need to learn it again against a good team like yours.I'm a Purdue fan but I actually thought he was doing the right thing by shortening the game down the stretch. We hadn't scored a field goal from like the 9-minute mark to the 3-minute mark. He was betting that we wouldn't score 4 straight field goals in the last 3 minutes after having not seen us score 1 in the previous 6. I'd take those odds if I were him.
That play came from Brian James, the designated in bounds coach. Same coach who drew up the Taphorn-Pardon play vs. MichiganOn the other hand, the out of bounds play with three seconds left that resulted in Spencer shooting an uncontested three was brilliant coaching.
I thought this summed it up really well. Tough night for the Cats.
That's because Purdue played with intensity down the stretch. We turned it off. That affects the defensive end too. Stall ball doesn't work. The other teams senses the change in energy and then they realize they can be the aggressors. We've run the experiment over and over and over. I think the data are pretty conclusive.i get the argument about stall ball, but beran got 2 wide open looks. on the other end PU needed shots and they made them.
likewise the cats end up running offense from 12 seconds left on the clock at many points in the game - not just the end.
what was more disappointing was the lack of defense - gave up 10-12 points in a row without a stop. what was the lead 58-49? and the team definitely suffers from the "clutch gene
i get the argument about stall ball, but beran got 2 wide open looks. on the other end PU needed shots and they made them.
likewise the cats end up running offense from 12 seconds left on the clock at many points in the game - not just the end.
what was more disappointing was the lack of defense - gave up 10-12 points in a row without a stop. what was the lead 58-49? and the team definitely suffers from the "clutch gene
Spencer always hangs onto the ball to long and Boo did the same last night. Maybe he's still hurting a bit and Beran also was limping at times. Seemed like they never started the offense until the shot clock was down to 12 seconds.One of the big problems about us trying stall balls is we are not good at it. Guys hang onto the ball for WAY too long...often not even trying to advance the ball and see if there's a decent option until there's like 5-7 seconds left. Buie and Spencer both did this. Buie just clanged a contested 3 after holding the ball the entire shot clock, and Spencer ended up fumbling the ball away on his drive to the left baseline. Jared Jones did have a decent look one a prior possession but everything was to disjointed and obviously the team wasn't on the same page so he ended up giving it back to Spencer, who tried to give it back to him with 2 seconds left after getting stuffed in the lane.
If you're going to do it, kill some clock and then go into some semblance of a normal offensive flow with 12-15 seconds left so you at least have time for a couple passes and maybe a really good look off of it. That philosophy really shouldn't be that hard to coach.
Anyone remember the tourney season and games like Dayton where NU would blow the doors off a team in the first half and then barely escape in the end? Same thing is happening now. Only NU doesn’t have the talent to get huge leads. The leads are still big enough to win, but Collins refuses to change his strategy, and NU no longer barely wins. He’s a good enough coach to usually have his team competitive. I hope he matures to be a coach who’s good enough to learn from his many repeated mistakes.All this debate on whether stall ball was a good strategy? With 4 minutes to go? No one plays stall ball with 4 minutes to go, up by 8. Up by 20, sure. Up by 8, maybe under 2 minutes is a defensible strategy.
Wondering why Purdue had not hit a shot for minutes and went on a 11-0 run? We did a good job giving them confidence. Look no further than stall ball that early is telling the other team “look, we’re shitting out pants over here, so it’s up to you to make a run or not”
Don’t bother, CCC popularity is hitting Mick McCall levels on this board.I'm a Purdue fan but I actually thought he was doing the right thing by shortening the game down the stretch. We hadn't scored a field goal from like the 9-minute mark to the 3-minute mark. He was betting that we wouldn't score 4 straight field goals in the last 3 minutes after having not seen us score 1 in the previous 6. I'd take those odds if I were him.