Interesting take on Oregon OSU finish

[FanatiCat]

When I was watching I was calling out to the TV for Oregon to take a time out because their defense looked confused. The 12 men on the field was by design which was a pretty big gamble at that spot in the field. It took the ball from the 43 to the 38 and ran 4 seconds off the clock, leaving 6 seconds with one timeout for OSU to get in FG range. The 12 men gave Oregon enough advantage in the secondary to prevent a completion. I think it caused enough confusion for OSU and their QB on timing as he ran out the clock scrambling. However, on watching slomo replay he could have safely slid at the 35 at :02 and took a time out with :01, leaving time for a 52 yard FG attempt which is makeable (though not sure how good their FG kicker is).

Interesting gamble. Did they do it because they had less confidence in their secondary and felt that OSU couldn't make a longer FG? I wonder if more teams will try this? It seems to make a lot of sense in some endgame situations, I woudl think moreso if the other team needs a TD and time is more limiting than downs. Just put 12 men (how about 13 or 14???) on the field to give yourself an advantage, and take the 5 yard penalty. 5 yards is better than giving up a completion for 15, and you also get to run time off the clock. If it happens enough maybe they will change the rule that the time goes back on the clock?

https://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/20...g-that-we-had-worked-on-dan-lanning-said.html

 

[phatcat]

Dan Lanning Confirms Oregon's Strategic 12-Men Penalty vs. Ohio State Was Intentional

Dan Lanning seemed to confirm that Oregon intentionally deployed a 12th man in the waning moments of their win over Ohio State.

www.si.com

He did it on purpose

 

[Catreporter]

I'd like to know why Ryan Day chose to throw the ball when the team was already in field goal range during the final minute. Didn't he know about Woody Hayes' dictum that when you pass, two out of three outcomes are bad. (Turns out there was a third bad thing that can happen: offensive pass interference!)

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

Brilliant move, but it only works it situations that are very very similar to this. Doing it with 12 seconds or more makes no sense. The call virtually made OSU’s timeout useless. The best thing OSU could have done is either immediately spike the ball and take the 5 yards or launch it to the end zone since it is a free play. Of course they did neither. The TO should have been used earlier as well. Then the QB botched the clock by running. The OSU players didn’t seem prepared. That’s on the Coaches.

 

[SmellyCat]

I love that he did it on purpose because it's a great "think-outside-the-box" strategy, but it's very very dangerous with a thin margin for error. That five yards could have made all the difference between a game-winning field goal and a long field-goal attempt that was just short of going in. However, if it took precious time off the clock and has the added advantage of throwing Ohio State off its game, then I have to side with "brilliant."

But that's only because it worked. If Ohio State had a second left after the slide and then hit the game-winning field goal, my guess is we would've heard nothing about how they did it on purpose.

 

[phatcat]

I'd like to know why Ryan Day chose to throw the ball when the team was already in field goal range during the final minute. Didn't he know about Woody Hayes' dictum that when you pass, two out of three outcomes are bad. (Turns out there was a third bad thing that can happen: offensive pass interference!)

He's probably stung from the two times he tried to settle for a FG (GA and Mich) and lost.

 

[hdhntr1]

Brilliant move, but it only works it situations that are very very similar to this. Doing it with 12 seconds or more makes no sense. The call virtually made OSU’s timeout useless. The best thing OSU could have done is either immediately spike the ball and take the 5 yards or launch it to the end zone since it is a free play. Of course they did neither. The TO should have been used earlier as well. Then the QB botched the clock by running. The OSU players didn’t seem prepared. That’s on the Coaches.

Was that a new rule on the running of the clock after the penalty? I mean it was in the last two minutes as well. But they should know the rules whatever they are. IU saw a lot of stupidity and poor fundamentals in that game by dOSU. I mean on one pass play it took the guy 25 yds to tackle the receiver and a lot of other poor tackling of receivers all night long

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

If it happens enough maybe they will change the rule that the time goes back on the clock?

If there is one thing I have learned about sports it is this...

If a perennial power like Ohio State is negatively impacted by a rule that doesn't make a lot of sense, that rule will change very quickly.

 

[dillonpgp]

Just put 12 men (how about 13 or 14???) on the field to give yourself an advantage, and take the 5 yard penalty. 5 yards is better than giving up a completion for 15, and you also get to run time off the clock. If it happens enough maybe they will change the rule that the time goes back on the clock?

The “unfair act” clause of the rule book still exists that gets into the murky area of deciding “intent”. That would declare playing 13/14 on a single play unsportsmanlike and resulting in a 15 yd penalty.

One possible solution would be to treat 12 men on the field as a dead ball rather than a live ball foul. The difference is blowing the play dead (as happens when defensive offsides is upgraded to unabated to the quarterback for safety.). Blowing the play dead would put a few seconds back on the clock but would also cancel the opportunity for a free play. If OSU had completed a long pass against 12 (intentional) defensive players, oSSu would have declined the penalty, accepted the time off the clock and tried to win the game with a FG.

You can’t have it both ways. If you take the free shot, you have to accept the “free play” time elapsed will not be restored if you don’t succeed.

 

[phatcat]

So says @dillonpgp or should I say Dillon Gabriel hmm?

 

[techtim72]

Brilliant move, but it only works it situations that are very very similar to this. Doing it with 12 seconds or more makes no sense. The call virtually made OSU’s timeout useless. The best thing OSU could have done is either immediately spike the ball and take the 5 yards or launch it to the end zone since it is a free play. Of course they did neither. The TO should have been used earlier as well. Then the QB botched the clock by running. The OSU players didn’t seem prepared. That’s on the Coaches.

Why not do it anytime the opponent's formation fits on your side of the field and a team is willing to give up five seconds, five yards for a whole lot better pass defense? Isn't that basically a pass prevent defense that allows the 5-10 yard out? Losing track now on when the clock stops so that might be a downside of being willing to incur the penalty if the clock restarts on setting the ball.

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

As I mentioned about 24 hours ago - if Ohio State is on the wrong end of a rule, the rule is going to change quickly...
I'm going to give myself an A++++++ for that one.

Mid-season urgent rule change!

https://www.on3.com/news/ncaa-pushi...-oregon-ducks-dan-lanning-used-intentionally/

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

Why not do it anytime the opponent's formation fits on your side of the field and a team is willing to give up five seconds, five yards for a whole lot better pass defense? Isn't that basically a pass prevent defense that allows the 5-10 yard out? Losing track now on when the clock stops so that might be a downside of being willing to incur the penalty if the clock restarts on setting the ball.

I would imagine the counter move is to immediately spike the ball. Burn 2 seconds. Keep spiking it.

 

[TheC]

The solution to this should involve a video review and have there be two tiers to this penalty. If the 12th man is sprinting off the field, but the ball is snapped before he gets there, that's a 5 yard penalty. If the 12th man remains in the field of play for a significant portion of the play as judged by the replay booth (I would say all of the play, but then teams would have someone run off just before the tackle is made), that should be at least a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.

 

[Eurocat]

 

[AdamOnFirst]

I'd like to know why Ryan Day chose to throw the ball when the team was already in field goal range during the final minute. Didn't he know about Woody Hayes' dictum that when you pass, two out of three outcomes are bad. (Turns out there was a third bad thing that can happen: offensive pass interference!)

They were in field goal range, but they were in 45+ yard field goal range with a college kicker. That's a pretty decent shot to make it, but with lik 25 seconds left and your offense on a roll another 10 yards makes it a much safer kick.

Ultimately that OPI was just a total disaster.

A phenomenal finish, both teams could easily have won and both teams can easily win their nearly inevitable future rematche(s).

 

[AdamOnFirst]

The solution to this should involve a video review and have there be two tiers to this penalty. If the 12th man is sprinting off the field, but the ball is snapped before he gets there, that's a 5 yard penalty. If the 12th man remains in the field of play for a significant portion of the play as judged by the replay booth (I would say all of the play, but then teams would have someone run off just before the tackle is made), that should be at least a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.

Easier solution: defensive presnap penalties, even those that result in a free play, in the last two minutes result return all the time to the clock if accepted.

 

[TheC]

Easier solution: defensive presnap penalties, even those that result in a free play, in the last two minutes result return all the time to the clock if accepted.

You're probably right. Trying to think of a scenario where time isn't a factor for taking this penalty on purpose. Though I've never seen it, I suppose if you were a coach and you saw you were lined up in a defensive formation that was likely to get burned and you didn't have a timeout left, you could run a 12th defender on the field to mess things up. But I'm really reaching here.....

 

[techtim72]

I am completely grossed out. Notice I didn't say I was surprised.

 

[Eurocat]

NCAA issues rule change after Oregon's late 12-man penalty drained time off clock vs. Ohio State

If a defense plays with 12 players in the final two minutes, the clock will now be reset.

www.yahoo.com