Gonna be a good one! Really helped us today, except for the two missed free throws.
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Yeah really love his play. He and Barney were really huge today.Gonna be a good one! Really helped us today, except for the two missed free throws.
Martinelli really did some good out there. Love it seemed like he rushed his free throws, but not sure if I’m right.I think TVH has really upped his game in this past six-game stretch! He had a really good day today!
missed 3.Gonna be a good one! Really helped us today, except for the two missed free throws.
Watched game on a flight with occasional wifi issues. Thankfully I only saw two.missed 3.
Roper was back in the lineup and played 21+ minutes against Michigan.Did they say why he didn’t play last game? It seems like low-hanging fruit to have used him to spell our players against Michigan.
Yes, Barnhizer reads the ball very well; reminds me of Jerry Lucas that way.Yeah, I like his game. Barnhizer has a nice nose for the basket as well. Will be interesting to see how the two of them do if the seniors leave next year.
Martinelli has been a very pleasant surprise as I don't think a single one of us thought we'd be getting anything from him this year. He's been a nice rotational piece on the offensive end and seems to have a high basketball IQ (gets in position for rebounds, makes smart cuts, etc.).Martinelli and Barnhizer are the future of the program. Both should be playing as much as possible.
I wish Beran had 1/2 his craftiness to finish around the basket.Martinelli has been a very pleasant surprise as I don't think a single one of us thought we'd be getting anything from him this year. He's been a nice rotational piece on the offensive end and seems to have a high basketball IQ (gets in position for rebounds, makes smart cuts, etc.).
All that said, he still has a lot of work to do. He's not a great shooter and has a lot to work on the defensive end of the court. I agree he is going to be a good player for us (somebody used the word "star", which seems a little much to me, but we'll see), but with a team on the bubble for the tournament, this is not the time to be playing him as much as possible to just get experience. When Roper is healthy, Martinelli's minutes will be pretty limited and IMO that's how it should be at this point.
Again, this is not a knock on him at all. He's been an excellent surprise and has been WAY better than I expected. I also believe he has a bright future, but I think we need to pump the breaks just a tad and also realize what he is at this point and what his role is on this team.
His FTs were very rushed. He needs to soften up his shot a little from the line. I realize it's easy to be a critic, but I really can't understand how any player gets to the level of being a Division I scholarship basketball player without having taken 1000s of free throws in their life and perfected their stroke. Maybe they developed bad habits when they were young and didn't have the strength yet to use proper free throw form.i expect Martinelli will be shooting a lot of free throws at practice this week. Excellence from the line has helped us win several games this year and scoring is at a premium for this team. Wisconsin going 5-for-11 from there, including a key late 1-and-1 miss, helped cost them the game, and their 9-for-16 effort in Evanston did too.
Are you saying we exhibit irrational exuberance?Martinelli has been a very pleasant surprise as I don't think a single one of us thought we'd be getting anything from him this year. He's been a nice rotational piece on the offensive end and seems to have a high basketball IQ (gets in position for rebounds, makes smart cuts, etc.).
All that said, he still has a lot of work to do. He's not a great shooter and has a lot to work on the defensive end of the court. I agree he is going to be a good player for us (somebody used the word "star", which seems a little much to me, but we'll see), but with a team on the bubble for the tournament, this is not the time to be playing him as much as possible to just get experience. When Roper is healthy, Martinelli's minutes will be pretty limited and IMO that's how it should be at this point.
Again, this is not a knock on him at all. He's been an excellent surprise and has been WAY better than I expected. I also believe he has a bright future, but I think we need to pump the breaks just a tad and also realize what he is at this point and what his role is on this team.
Solid playersYeah, I like his game. Barnhizer has a nice nose for the basket as well. Will be interesting to see how the two of them do if the seniors leave next year.
Do not underestimate the amount of dubious coaching in the pre-college ball. Didn’t HJ post about his kid facing a zone in middle school ball?His FTs were very rushed. He needs to soften up his shot a little from the line. I realize it's easy to be a critic, but I really can't understand how any player gets to the level of being a Division I scholarship basketball player without having taken 1000s of free throws in their life and perfected their stroke. Maybe they developed bad habits when they were young and didn't have the strength yet to use proper free throw form.
Where was that?Do not underestimate the amount of dubious coaching in the pre-college ball. Didn’t HJ post about his kid facing a zone in middle school ball?
When I moved to Indy nearly 4 years ago I went to a game at my local high school. It's Indiana I figured. It's a large school with around 3,200 schools. Faced the likes of Trauce Jackson Davis in recent years. I was horrified by the lack of basic fundamentals.
I met one of the assistant coaches when I went to a parent-teacher meeting as he was my kid's math teacher. He sounded to me like a very basic bitch.
Not saying Martinelli did not get good coaching. I don't know. But I could point out that his cuts are those of a 12-year-old, done at the same speed, usually fast. If there's one thing that makes players easy to guard is to execute at the same speed. Even if that is a fast speed.
I'm not sure I've ever heard this phrase used by anyone other than a teenage girl. Please explain to us oldsters what a "very basic bitch" is in the context of a high school math teacher/assistant basketball coach.I met one of the assistant coaches when I went to a parent-teacher meeting as he was my kid's math teacher. He sounded to me like a very basic bitch.
My experience is really different. There's no shot clock here in Michigan, and most teams play slow, especially in the tournament, where games are often in the 30s. Even with the slower pace, lots of TOs and bad shots because of a lack of IQ and skill. Only 5%-6% of the players you see will make it to the next level.My impression of high school ball - and I know it varies - is that most teams don't value possession. All speed, up and down the court, risky passes, hero shooting. College ball is an eye opener.
And that is as it should be. For 90% of high school athletes, the experience should be about having fun, learning to work as part of a team, gaining self-confidence, maybe impressing an attractive member of the opposite (or same) sex. Sure, they should work on being the best players they can be, but achieving the skill and/or sports IQ of a division one athlete shouldn't even be on the radar for most of these kids.My experience is really different. There's no shot clock here in Michigan, and most teams play slow, especially in the tournament, where games are often in the 30s. Even with the slower pace, lots of TOs and bad shots because of a lack of IQ and skill. Only 5%-6% of the players you see will make it to the next level.
He is our version of Brad Davison.Can't emphasize enough how important Barnhizer is to the team. First to the floor, leaves space to track down rebounds, all sorts of hustle and toughness out there. His offensive game will improve.
He's going to be one of the most hated players in the Big Ten in a couple of years.
Jerry Lucas?Yes, Barnhizer reads the ball very; reminds me of Jerry Lucas that way.
He has led the team in rebounding several games with limited playing time.
I know you mean well, but please don't compare any of our players to that dirty, flopping, 45-year-old jackass.He is our version of Brad Davison.
Jerry Lucas?
WOW. A great blast from the distant past.
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But with a better haircut.He is our version of Brad Davison.
Joe Crispin--yes, that Joe Crispin--disagrees. He's coaching now. I heard him on a podcast and he said let kids shoot that s---. Here's a blog post he wrote on it:If you want to see the death of shooting fundamentals just put a middle schooler on a court with a three point line. Slop one in and they all think they are Steph Curry when the reality is they’re not even Ben Wallace
Well.... that sure seems to be the Chris Collins approach to coaching and it drives most of us crazy! I still think there is a difference between a good shot and a bad shot. I am all for taking every good shot - open shots, shots where you have time to get your feet set and your shoulders square. That can mean a three-point shot if it's a good three point shot. What defines a good three point shot becomes very narrow the younger you get. A middle school kid would probably struggle to shoot 20% from three in a game, but if they are open and can get their legs under them, then sure... take it. But only the NBA players and the really special college players can take those 3's where they are stepping back or stepping to the side or shooting on the move.Joe Crispin--yes, that Joe Crispin--disagrees. He's coaching now. I heard him on a podcast and he said let kids shoot that s---. Here's a blog post he wrote on it:
Let Kids Shoot It
Even with good to great shooters, that confidence and mentality is hard to build. Fletcher Loyer missed a lot of shots at the middle-school, HS and AAU levels to get where he is now.
As an Ohio kid I grew up watching the great OSU teams. I remember seeing an interview with Lucas after he left college, and he told a story that went like this. He didn’t believe in boxing out; his strategy was to read where the ball was going or where it was likely to go based on where it was shot from. He would be in position and go to the rebound/ball and not worry about blocking someone out. In practice he would block out because that is what the coach wanted him to do, and so he did it as the team leader, but in the game it was completely different, and that is how he was such a dominant rebounder even though he was only average height for a center, and not a great jumper. It drives me crazy when I see a player shoot from the corner, but the players on the weak side do not position themselves for a shot that goes too long; instead they often move to the front of the basket …no no no!Jerry Lucas?
WOW. A great blast from the distant past.
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