The ACC gave Notre Dame and Clemson the week off before their championship game
Multiple sources now reporting that B1G has waived minimum games rule for OSU*
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Alvarez does not have the authority to change stuff on his own. It has to be done by the whole B1G. And one of the things that was brought up is 2 of the 3 games OSU had canceled were by their opponents. The other BiG teams with not enough games to qualify at least canceled two of their games on their own.
It was also brought up that Indiana might not (very likely) be able to play next week and they did lose to OSU head to head. Also, when they established the 5 game rule, they didn't envision it being this bad.
Bottom line: everybody wants a way around OSU and would love to see someone else hoist the championship trophy. You know how to really solve that ? Start beating them on the field which not too many teams in this conference has figured out yet
They're pissed he would even suggested the move. Also did I say he approved it despite him being Chair?...NO
Actually the opponents didn't cancel on their own, those two games were canceled per B1G Requirement per the Conference's Safety Protocols. Better go back and fact-check!
The B1G created this mess let them F***ing live with it and Rules are Rules.........let's move the goal posts during season too. LMFAO
B1G Covid-Procedures From the Horses Mouth
FROM B1G
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The Big Ten Council of Presidents and Chancellors (COP/C) adopted significant medical protocols including daily antigen testing, enhanced cardiac screening and an enhanced data-driven approach when making decisions about practice/competition. The COP/C voted unanimously to resume the football season starting the weekend of October 23-24, 2020. The decision was based on information presented by the Big Ten Return to Competition Task Force, a working group that was established by the COP/C and Commissioner Kevin Warren to ensure a collaborative and transparent process.
The Big Ten will require student-athletes, coaches, trainers and other individuals that are on the field for all practices and games to undergo daily antigen testing. Test results must be completed and recorded prior to each practice or game. Student-athletes who test positive for the coronavirus through point of contact (POC) daily testing would require a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test to confirm the result of the POC test.
“Everyone associated with the Big Ten should be very proud of the groundbreaking steps that are now being taken to better protect the health and safety of the student-athletes and surrounding communities,” said Dr. Jim Borchers, Head Team Physician, The Ohio State University and co-chair of the Return to Competition Task Force medical subcommittee.
“The data we are going to collect from testing and the cardiac registry will provide major contributions for all 14 Big Ten institutions as they study COVID-19 and attempt to mitigate the spread of the disease among wider communities.”
Each institution will designate a Chief Infection Officer (CInO) who will oversee the collection and reporting of data for the Big Ten Conference. Test positivity rate and population positivity rate thresholds will be used to determine recommendations for continuing practice and competition.
All COVID-19 positive student-athletes will have to undergo comprehensive cardiac testing to include labs and biomarkers, ECG, Echocardiogram and a Cardiac MRI. Following cardiac evaluation, student-athletes must receive clearance from a cardiologist designated by the university for the primary purpose of cardiac clearance for COVID-19 positive student-athletes. The earliest a student-athlete can return to game competition is 21 days following a COVID-19 positive diagnosis.
In addition to the medical protocols approved, the 14 Big Ten institutions will establish a cardiac registry in an effort to examine the effects on COVID-19 positive student-athletes. The registry and associated data will attempt to answer many of the unknowns regarding the cardiac manifestations in COVID-19 positive elite athletes.
“From the onset of the pandemic, our highest priority has been the health and the safety of our students. The new medical protocols and standards put into place by the Big Ten Return To Competition Task Force were pivotal in the decision to move forward with sports in the conference,” said Morton Schapiro, Chair of the Big Ten Council of Presidents/Chancellors and Northwestern University President, and Chair of the Return to Competition Task Force Steering Committee. “We appreciate the conference’s dedication to developing the necessary safety procedures for our students and the communities that embrace them.”
“Our focus with the Task Force over the last six weeks was to ensure the health and safety of our student-athletes. Our goal has always been to return to competition so all student-athletes can realize their dream of competing in the sports they love,” said Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren. “We are incredibly grateful for the collaborative work that our Return to Competition Task Force have accomplished to ensure the health, safety and wellness of student-athletes, coaches and administrators.”
The Big Ten Conference will use data provided by each Chief Infection Officer (CInO) to make decisions about the continuation of practice and competition, as determined by Test Positivity Rate and Population Positivity Rate, based on a seven-day rolling average:
- Test positivity rate (number of positive tests divided by total number of tests administered):
- Green 0-2%
- Orange 2-5%
- Red >5%
- Population positivity rate (number of positive individuals divided by total population at risk):
- Green 0-3.5%
- Orange 3.5-7.5%
- Red >7.5%
- Green/Green and Green/Orange: Team continues with normal practice and competition.
- Orange/Orange and Orange/Red: Team must proceed with caution and enhance COVID-19 prevention (alter practice and meeting schedule, consider viability of continuing with scheduled competition).
- Red/Red: Team must stop regular practice and competition for a minimum of seven days and reassess metrics until improved.
Eventually all Big Ten sports will require testing protocols before they can resume competition. Updates regarding fall sports other than football, as well as winter sports that begin in the fall including men’s and women’s basketball, men’s ice hockey, men’s and women’s swimming and diving, and wrestling, will be announced shortly.
The Big Ten Conference is an association of world-class universities whose member institutions share a common mission of research, graduate, professional and undergraduate teaching and public service. Founded in 1896, the Big Ten has sustained a comprehensive set of shared practices and policies that enforce the priority of academics in the lives of students competing in intercollegiate athletics and emphasize the values of integrity, fairness and competitiveness. The broad-based programs of the 14 Big Ten institutions will provide over $200 million in direct financial support to more than 9,800 students for more than 11,000 participation opportunities on 350 teams in 42 different sports. The Big Ten sponsors 28 official conference sports, 14 for men and 14 for women, including the addition of men’s ice hockey and men’s and women’s lacrosse since 2013. For more information, visit www.bigten.org.
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You can spin this any way you like but OSU would have played their games against Maryland and Michigan if it wasn't for the Covid outbreak at those schools which OSU had no control over. The bottom line is that the people bitching on this site about having to play OSU now just want the perceived easier way out (Indiana). If you're going to claim to be the best, beat the best
Not true. The so called 6-game rule anticipated the possibility that the average number of games played would drop to 7 or less and then the minimum number of games would be 2 less than the average.
No they were by the conference's direction per the B1G Covid Protocol. Better Fact Check again
OK Whatever. Jesus H Christ. Michigan AD - Warde Manual - called OSU and cancelled the game. But whatever you want to fly with.........
Let me make this clear, I can gives a rat's arse who NU plays. The B1G F***ed up with their early indecisive decision making and they need to live with it. They had an open window and they closed it and then re-opened it too late and only after Athlete and Parent Protests here in Rosemont amongst other things.
They didn't know it would get this bad? Give me a break, everyone was warned by Fauci about a possible surge in the fall/winter.
Have you even read the B1G's Covid Protocol? The schools do make the phone calls based on the test result criteria from B1G posted below;
>>>>The Big Ten Council of Presidents and Chancellors (COP/C) adopted significant medical protocols including daily antigen testing, enhanced cardiac screening and an enhanced data-driven approach when making decisions about practice/competition. The COP/C voted unanimously to resume the football season starting the weekend of October 23-24, 2020. The decision was based on information presented by the Big Ten Return to Competition Task Force, a working group that was established by the COP/C and Commissioner Kevin Warren to ensure a collaborative and transparent process.
The Big Ten will require student-athletes, coaches, trainers and other individuals that are on the field for all practices and games to undergo daily antigen testing. Test results must be completed and recorded prior to each practice or game. Student-athletes who test positive for the coronavirus through point of contact (POC) daily testing would require a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test to confirm the result of the POC test.
“Everyone associated with the Big Ten should be very proud of the groundbreaking steps that are now being taken to better protect the health and safety of the student-athletes and surrounding communities,” said Dr. Jim Borchers, Head Team Physician, The Ohio State University and co-chair of the Return to Competition Task Force medical subcommittee.
“The data we are going to collect from testing and the cardiac registry will provide major contributions for all 14 Big Ten institutions as they study COVID-19 and attempt to mitigate the spread of the disease among wider communities.”
Each institution will designate a Chief Infection Officer (CInO) who will oversee the collection and reporting of data for the Big Ten Conference. Test positivity rate and population positivity rate thresholds will be used to determine recommendations for continuing practice and competition.
All COVID-19 positive student-athletes will have to undergo comprehensive cardiac testing to include labs and biomarkers, ECG, Echocardiogram and a Cardiac MRI. Following cardiac evaluation, student-athletes must receive clearance from a cardiologist designated by the university for the primary purpose of cardiac clearance for COVID-19 positive student-athletes. The earliest a student-athlete can return to game competition is 21 days following a COVID-19 positive diagnosis.
In addition to the medical protocols approved, the 14 Big Ten institutions will establish a cardiac registry in an effort to examine the effects on COVID-19 positive student-athletes. The registry and associated data will attempt to answer many of the unknowns regarding the cardiac manifestations in COVID-19 positive elite athletes.
“From the onset of the pandemic, our highest priority has been the health and the safety of our students. The new medical protocols and standards put into place by the Big Ten Return To Competition Task Force were pivotal in the decision to move forward with sports in the conference,” said Morton Schapiro, Chair of the Big Ten Council of Presidents/Chancellors and Northwestern University President, and Chair of the Return to Competition Task Force Steering Committee. “We appreciate the conference’s dedication to developing the necessary safety procedures for our students and the communities that embrace them.”
“Our focus with the Task Force over the last six weeks was to ensure the health and safety of our student-athletes. Our goal has always been to return to competition so all student-athletes can realize their dream of competing in the sports they love,” said Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren. “We are incredibly grateful for the collaborative work that our Return to Competition Task Force have accomplished to ensure the health, safety and wellness of student-athletes, coaches and administrators.”
The Big Ten Conference will use data provided by each Chief Infection Officer (CInO) to make decisions about the continuation of practice and competition, as determined by Test Positivity Rate and Population Positivity Rate, based on a seven-day rolling average:
- Test positivity rate (number of positive tests divided by total number of tests administered):
- Green 0-2%
- Orange 2-5%
- Red >5%
- Population positivity rate (number of positive individuals divided by total population at risk):
- Green 0-3.5%
- Orange 3.5-7.5%
- Red >7.5%
- Green/Green and Green/Orange: Team continues with normal practice and competition.
- Orange/Orange and Orange/Red: Team must proceed with caution and enhance COVID-19 prevention (alter practice and meeting schedule, consider viability of continuing with scheduled competition).
- Red/Red: Team must stop regular practice and competition for a minimum of seven days and reassess metrics until improved.
Eventually all Big Ten sports will require testing protocols before they can resume competition. Updates regarding fall sports other than football, as well as winter sports that begin in the fall including men’s and women’s basketball, men’s ice hockey, men’s and women’s swimming and diving, and wrestling, will be announced shortly.
The Big Ten Conference is an association of world-class universities whose member institutions share a common mission of research, graduate, professional and undergraduate teaching and public service. Founded in 1896, the Big Ten has sustained a comprehensive set of shared practices and policies that enforce the priority of academics in the lives of students competing in intercollegiate athletics and emphasize the values of integrity, fairness and competitiveness. The broad-based programs of the 14 Big Ten institutions will provide over $200 million in direct financial support to more than 9,800 students for more than 11,000 participation opportunities on 350 teams in 42 different sports. The Big Ten sponsors 28 official conference sports, 14 for men and 14 for women, including the addition of men’s ice hockey and men’s and women’s lacrosse since 2013. For more information, visit www.bigten.org.
Boy, you really don’t understand why we are mad. This has nothing to do with us not wanting to play Ohio State.
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Not difficult. Follow the money. FOX/Big Ten schools depleted coffers.
Wonder if anyone asked the players what they want. Not.
Wonder if anyone asked the players what they want. Not.
I don't think you understand our objection. It isn't that we object to playing OSU. If NU were 5-0 and Wisconsin were 6-1 -- a situation which could easily have arisen this year -- do you think for even an instant that the B1G would change the rules to let NU go to the championship over Wisconsin? I don't.
........Lastly better read a post before making assumptions. I reported what I heard from callers on Sports Talk Radio and those caller were from other B1G Conference Schools and elsewhere. Apparently assumptions is all you learned in school.
This.
The other thing that bugs me is that Ohio State gets more prep time for the BIG championship with the conference changing the rules 90% of the way through the season.
NU avoids COVID (there is some luck involved, but luck is always in play) and gets a disadvantage for doing so. Classic.
kaTNap, that is so right and exactly my thoughts...
Look, as an IU guy, I started hearing of the 6 game minimum a couple weeks ago and laughed thinking, "Yeh, right!! if IU is 7-1 and OSU is 5-0, guaranteed the league will amend that rule." IU lost to OSU. That's fine. I never got my hopes up of backing into the BTCG.
But along same logic, started thinking "what if IU HAD beaten them, was the 5-0 team and OSU was the 6-1 team?" Think we all know it would be highly unlikely the league would be changing the rule. And I doubt BA or Ryan Day would have been beating that drum on IU's or NU's behalf.
Look, as an IU guy, I started hearing of the 6 game minimum a couple weeks ago and laughed thinking, "Yeh, right!! if IU is 7-1 and OSU is 5-0, guaranteed the league will amend that rule." IU lost to OSU. That's fine. I never got my hopes up of backing into the BTCG.
But along same logic, started thinking "what if IU HAD beaten them, was the 5-0 team and OSU was the 6-1 team?" Think we all know it would be highly unlikely the league would be changing the rule. And I doubt BA or Ryan Day would have been beating that drum on IU's or NU's behalf.
I've followed this for a good part of the day and it sounded like OSU needed a conference championship to get into the playoffs - and they (obviously) are the only B1G team with a shot at the playoffs.
It was noted by the B1G administrators that OSU was the only B1G team - lacking enough games (six) to qualify - that had 2 games canceled by their opponent (Maryland and Michigan) and the B1G admitted that this scenario wasn't taken into account initially. If OSU would have played just one of those games - and even lost - they still would be division champs.
It was also noted they beat Indiana in their head to head matchup and are undefeated
And speaking of Indiana, who knows if they'll be able to play in the CCG - they are knee deep in their own Covid problems and had to cancel the game (mutual agreement) with Purdue this week.
And don't hold me to this, but if I understood the situation correctly, it was an unanimous vote by the BiG - including Northweatern and Indiana administrators (14-0) - to send OSU to the CCG.
Basically, it comes down to money and the playoffs since OSU is the only BiG team with a chance to get in. The conference share this money evenly. Wouldn't it be hilarious though, if Northwestern beat them
It was noted by the B1G administrators that OSU was the only B1G team - lacking enough games (six) to qualify - that had 2 games canceled by their opponent (Maryland and Michigan) and the B1G admitted that this scenario wasn't taken into account initially. If OSU would have played just one of those games - and even lost - they still would be division champs.
It was also noted they beat Indiana in their head to head matchup and are undefeated
And speaking of Indiana, who knows if they'll be able to play in the CCG - they are knee deep in their own Covid problems and had to cancel the game (mutual agreement) with Purdue this week.
And don't hold me to this, but if I understood the situation correctly, it was an unanimous vote by the BiG - including Northweatern and Indiana administrators (14-0) - to send OSU to the CCG.
Basically, it comes down to money and the playoffs since OSU is the only BiG team with a chance to get in. The conference share this money evenly. Wouldn't it be hilarious though, if Northwestern beat them
I think most people on this site wanted to play Ohio State. So, don't cast a wide net there.
My gripe is that I agree with the folks that say the league should cancel our game this weekend. If you want a fair championship game, then make it fair.
I know it's a tall order, but I want to see us kick OSU's smug ass, and I want Fitz to have every fair opportunity to prepare and minimize pre-championship injuries.
Ohio St would be thrilled if you canceled your game vs Illinois and let us demolish them for the turtle.
While the fans are crying foul, that does not mean the NU coaches and players don't want to play Illannoys.
Yes, but think about the turtle and having a nice BYE week. You hate Illinois so why not sit back and watch them catch a 40+ point L?
Where is all this money coming from? NO fans in the stands. OK there is TV money but doubt that changes because of a contract signed months ago.
Let's make this simple so you can understand. Participating in the Conference Championship Game and the result have NOTHING to do with participation n the playoffs!
if IU was on the cusp of the college football playoff, this would have happened for IU. That’s what this is about. The whole season was played for (first) TV money and the expectation that OSU was loaded for a championship run. Offensively, Ohio State has not disappointed.
OSU’s vulnerability is a close Clemson win over Notre Dame and a close Florida win over Alabama. You will have 4 1 loss teams with better resumes than an undefeated OSU.
Seems that the Big Ten Championship Game has nothing to do with the playoffs.
In fact, most non-Buckeyes (and probably quite a few of our people, too) don’t realize that Illinois was our b1g (ha) rival before the Wolverines. So yeah, cancel away and let us win the Illibuck.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but even when we’re healthy, our “vulnerability” is our entire defensive secondary. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t worried about Trevor Lawrence or Mac Jones or Kyle Trask picking us apart.
My two cents....I generally don’t agree with rule changes in mid-game or mid-season, but this isn’t a generally normal season. After all, we are currently on the 3rd permutation of the 2020 conference football schedule. Unexpected unprecedented changes have been the normal for all of us since March.
This is a money decision. Not just trying to make the Conf. Championship game more lucrative, but for the Fox Sports contract. The biggest rating game for the Conference was taken away, the Conference wants to make sure the game in Indy attracts both Conference fans and out of Conference fans. Not just for the purposes of this year, but for negotiations with the contract renewal.
Is it fair that OSU gets consideration that a NU, IU, Illinois, or Rutgers wouldn’t? An argument could be made for- no. Is it fair that NU, IU, Illinois, or Rutgers, gets an equal share of TV, Bowl, or Playoff revenue as OSU? An argument could be made for-no.
This is a money decision. Not just trying to make the Conf. Championship game more lucrative, but for the Fox Sports contract. The biggest rating game for the Conference was taken away, the Conference wants to make sure the game in Indy attracts both Conference fans and out of Conference fans. Not just for the purposes of this year, but for negotiations with the contract renewal.
Is it fair that OSU gets consideration that a NU, IU, Illinois, or Rutgers wouldn’t? An argument could be made for- no. Is it fair that NU, IU, Illinois, or Rutgers, gets an equal share of TV, Bowl, or Playoff revenue as OSU? An argument could be made for-no.
A few thoughts...
1. Everyone was in on this, including NU. I don't know how revenues will be adjusted this year due to so much lost on ticket sales, but we all make millions more with OSU in the playoff, plain and simple. Objectively, I get it.
2. Of all things, what I don't like is how everyone rooting this thing on almost definitely sh*t on Nebraska when they wanted their game against Chattanooga. So, rules were made to be broken, right? For whom? And when?
3. If Fitz wanted to give the middle finger to the conference (which he won't, but if he did...) he would justbench rest all of our starters and let whatever happens, happen on Saturday.
4. Obviously I always want to beat Ohio State, but never have I ever wanted a win more than I do in two weeks. I would happily agree right now to watch Northwestern lose by 5 TDs to Illinois and then lose by 50 to USC in the Fiesta Bowl if it means we beat Ohio State on a fluke last play of the game and the entire sports world gasps. I can hear the announcer now: "and Northwestern...who lost to Michigan State and who just one week ago got blown out by Illinois, have just beaten the Ohio State Buckeyes and are the Big Ten champs! They're going to the Fiesta Bowl!"
1. Everyone was in on this, including NU. I don't know how revenues will be adjusted this year due to so much lost on ticket sales, but we all make millions more with OSU in the playoff, plain and simple. Objectively, I get it.
2. Of all things, what I don't like is how everyone rooting this thing on almost definitely sh*t on Nebraska when they wanted their game against Chattanooga. So, rules were made to be broken, right? For whom? And when?
3. If Fitz wanted to give the middle finger to the conference (which he won't, but if he did...) he would just
4. Obviously I always want to beat Ohio State, but never have I ever wanted a win more than I do in two weeks. I would happily agree right now to watch Northwestern lose by 5 TDs to Illinois and then lose by 50 to USC in the Fiesta Bowl if it means we beat Ohio State on a fluke last play of the game and the entire sports world gasps. I can hear the announcer now: "and Northwestern...who lost to Michigan State and who just one week ago got blown out by Illinois, have just beaten the Ohio State Buckeyes and are the Big Ten champs! They're going to the Fiesta Bowl!"
I don’t think it’s an advantage for OSU to have essentially a bye week before the Championship. I actually think it’s a disadvantage, barring any significant injury that may occur with NU, or one avoided by OSU- though the latter we’ll never know.
With the shortened season wear and tear shouldn’t be factor. OSU has had some issues with the units where there was a significant change over from last season. Defensive backs, O-line, and possibly running backs. OSU needed more games to tweak, gain experience, and build depth. Things you can’t completely get from practice, and practices have been abbreviated.
There’s not going to be any special new game planning for the Championship. OSU coaches aren’t even fully sure what they can do with their normal game plan.
With the shortened season wear and tear shouldn’t be factor. OSU has had some issues with the units where there was a significant change over from last season. Defensive backs, O-line, and possibly running backs. OSU needed more games to tweak, gain experience, and build depth. Things you can’t completely get from practice, and practices have been abbreviated.
There’s not going to be any special new game planning for the Championship. OSU coaches aren’t even fully sure what they can do with their normal game plan.
Your or my perception of fair has nothing to do with it. What matters are the rules for the 2020 season that were agreed to by all schools, including OSU, before the season began. You can’t change the rules after the fact. This is the equivalent of changing what constitutes a pass interference penalty during the 4th quarter of a game. It just can’t happen.
I don't know the conference vote, but Indiana seems to be classy about it. Indiana Head Coach Tom Allen states they are very disappointed but that they had there chance when they played Ohio State earlier in the season.
Big Ten Changes Rules to Cater to Big Dog Ohio State as IU Football Continues to Get Dissed — Hoosier Huddle
Written by Evan McShane On Monday evening the Big Ten official announced that the Ohio State Buckeyes will be representing the East Division in the Big Ten Championship game in Indianapolis. Prior to the start of the 2020 season, the Big Ten created a minimum-game requirement based on average games
hoosierhuddle.com
let's try to get some kind of running attack going this week the 19th can wait
Ok, I would have always wanted NU to beat Ohio State.
If they really change the rule to let OSU into the B1G championship game, which is complete crap, NU needs to somehow figure out how to win by 30.
Fitz would never humiliate another team when ahead, but as a fan I would enjoy it if NU could and did this time.
Yeah I know, wishful thinking, but it doesn’t change me opinion on this.
If they really change the rule to let OSU into the B1G championship game, which is complete crap, NU needs to somehow figure out how to win by 30.
Fitz would never humiliate another team when ahead, but as a fan I would enjoy it if NU could and did this time.
Yeah I know, wishful thinking, but it doesn’t change me opinion on this.
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Fact is, if Michigan had beaten Ohio State, they still would have gone over Indiana so I think the decision is somewhat justifiable and that's how the BIG spun it. Interesting question is, what if Wisconsin had beaten Indiana, then beat Iowa while we lost to Illini. Would they have reneged on our championship? They declared it BEFORE the Wisconsin game ended.
Well you have to beat up on somebody to make the revenue. Competitive games are good for the conference. Having 1 powerhouse and 13 also rans is not good for the revenue business in the long run.
Bottomline, the B1G Conference Leadership created this mess months ago when they canceled the first revised 10-game conference only season.
Then came the 8-game conference season. This was doomed from the beginning, as they left no room for makeup games, etc. At least the original 10-game conference schedule had room some room for makeups, etc.
This is 2020 and anything can happen.
Then came the 8-game conference season. This was doomed from the beginning, as they left no room for makeup games, etc. At least the original 10-game conference schedule had room some room for makeups, etc.
This is 2020 and anything can happen.
