OT: NL will use DH for EVER :(
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You realize that attendance is tickets sold? Cubs like most MLB team tickets were sold via STH and then open to public sales in May/June while Cubs were winningHey Ivy - care to wager on total attendance for 2021 between Cubs and Sox? Giving you a head start
As of last week, Cubs attendance was 1.4 MM and Sox was 0.9 MM
Cubs avg 23k per game while Sox avg 17k per game with about 70% of home games
Are you trying to lose or just don’t understand that either: how attendance is counted; or, when the vast majority of tickets were sold?
It's butts in seats that matter. Optics. That's what we're talking about. It's similar to how Cubs fans always loved to point out White Sox attendance issues. If you'd like proof, scroll up in the thread and look at what Willy cares about most
Here’s a Rick Morrissey article in today’s SunTimes regarding Sox attendance numbers or lack of attendance
Celebrating White Sox fans, a fierce, loyal and not-always-in-attendance group
Does it matter that a very good team doesn’t play to big crowds? Not in the grand scheme of things.
chicago.suntimes.com
Yet the Sox actually spend money to get/retain the talent, while the Cubs GM dumps icons of the franchise and worse yet rips them as they leave. If they were going to break up the band, Theo/Jed misplayed their hand by holding on too long. There should have been a return visit to the WS. Their was young talent poised to make another run. The team had glaring holes and after 2016 they never tweaked to bring in the right type of players to supplement the core.Here’s a Rick Morrissey article in today’s SunTimes regarding Sox attendance numbers or lack of attendance
Celebrating White Sox fans, a fierce, loyal and not-always-in-attendance group
Does it matter that a very good team doesn’t play to big crowds? Not in the grand scheme of things.
if Cubs fans are honest, they will admit the attraction to attending a game has usually been the historic field and surrounding bars. It has rarely been the product on the field. Why is Ricketts sinking all this cash into parks, hotels, and other amenities in the neighborhood? It’s a giant party and folks pay more attention to the talent in the stands than to the talent on the field.
Cub fan here who shares season tickets with a group. I agree with almost everything you've written. The attendees (won’t call them fans), whom you’ve described in the latter part of your missive, drive me up the ivy-covered wall.
The "need to rebuild" became a self-fulfilling prophecy. Epstein fired Maddon and then split. They seemed determined to cut loose their star players this season rather than buttress them.
I'm not as enamored of rebuilds as some seem to be. That doesn't mean that trades aren't necessary, but clearing the entire roster seems like a big gamble in itself that ensures short-term pain.
I'm not as enamored of rebuilds as some seem to be. That doesn't mean that trades aren't necessary, but clearing the entire roster seems like a big gamble in itself that ensures short-term pain.
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This park is soooo cool. When I get home, I’ll post some pictures. Not much available bandwidth here.
Did the players walk out of the corn rows in the outfield. That would have been cool!
Yes. I took a video. It was cool as shit. This game has been all it was billed to be.
One thing is clear Kimbrel has to be the Closer and Hendriks set up. Hendriks is a gopher ball waiting to happen.
If Kimbrel doesn’t screw around with the bottom of the order in the 8th, Judge never steps to the plate.
You don’t give up 4 in the 9th even facing the 27 Yankees. His fastball is straight as the hair on your head.
Wow. That James Earl Jones blackboard speech is a sports cinema classic.
I can’t explain why the movie leaves me cold. Believe me, there is no accounting for my taste.
Yes and through and open gate in the outfield. They came out of the rows of corn. It was similar to movie and pretty cool
When they went on that losing streak, then they needed to be dealt. And Cubs got some talent back. Those icons underperformed for several years so....
Those "star players" had their opportunity and they failed to perform over. Epstein did well enough leading up to 2016 but I thought the Chapman thing was dumb in that they gave up a ton to get him and he went right back to Yankees. That and a couple other moves likely cost them the shot at another ring
While Cubs needed someone to close, don't think it required Chapman. For example Sox just got Kimbrel from Cubs but they were not just renting him as they have control for another year. The fact that Chapman went right back to the Yankees meant he was a very expensive rental. Then the next year, after spending a ton to get him, they were again without a closer. Now if they had had him under control for a couple years, different story.
Epstein knew risk of trading Gleyber for Aroldis
Gleyber Torres recently debuted for the Yankees as MLB's No. 5 prospect, prompting many to revisit the July 2016 trade that sent the young infielder from Chicago to New York. With the Cubs gearing up for a run at their first World Series title since 1908, president of baseball operations
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Boy, I don't know. The Cubs fell behind 3-1 in the World Series and Chapman was instrumental in the Cubs coming back from that. I'm not sure any other closer would have helped the way Chapman did.While Cubs needed someone to close, don't think it required Chapman. For example Sox just got Kimbrel from Cubs but they were not just renting him as they have control for another year. The fact that Chapman went right back to the Yankees meant he was a very expensive rental. Then the next year, after spending a ton to get him, they were again without a closer. Now if they had had him under control for a couple years, different story.
Epstein knew risk of trading Gleyber for Aroldis
Gleyber Torres recently debuted for the Yankees as MLB's No. 5 prospect, prompting many to revisit the July 2016 trade that sent the young infielder from Chicago to New York. With the Cubs gearing up for a run at their first World Series title since 1908, president of baseball operations
Waited too long. Return was ok, but could have been way more if they blew it up a year ago. Right now, they are the worse team in the Bigs. At least they will get the top pick for a couple years.
Fun fact - they are supposed to be showcased in the next field of Dreams. Sounds right: Chicago’s lovable loser AAAA baseball team on the big stage
While Cubs needed someone to close, don't think it required Chapman. Sox just got Kimbrel from Cubs but they were not just renting him as they have control for another year. The fact that Chapman went right back to the Yankees meant he was a very expensive rental. Then the next year, after spending a ton to get him, they were again without a closer. Now if they had had him under control for a couple years, different story.
Would have been pretty hard to do last year with COVID related issues (although they did get rid of a couple high priced guys) and the haul would not have been that great as no one was really willing to pay much. . Two years ago would have been pretty difficult as they were in the hunt till near the end
Disclosure: Many years ago while attending NU, I worked briefly - in a laughably minor capacity of charting pitches - for one of the Chicago MLB teams. No particular rooting interest for either now, however.It's kind of funny to watch Cubs' and White Sox fans argue like this over which program is worse. You root for the Cubs and White Sox, for crying out loud.
Why is there need for such sniping at each team from the other's fans? Both Cubs and Sox can be successful; not a zero-sum matter. Being a fan of one doesn't mean having to hurl childish and deprecating barbs, as they play in different leagues.
Wouldn't it be great for the city, and the game itself, to have a 21st century "El Series" with both teams competing for a World Series crown?
I agree they waited too long but I think Hoyer did pretty well nonetheless. It won’t take that long for the Cubs to be back in contention. They’ll be down next year but have a wave of talent ready to hit in 2023 and will have a lot of money to spend in free agency the next couple of offseasons. Only -$60mm committed for next year. I bet they add 2-3 core free agency pieces this offseason and a similar amount prior to 2023 season.
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