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Bey will be released and eligible to play next season. Wonder if NU will reach out to him again.
You have a good memory:I'd be shocked if they didnt.
If I remember correctly, NU was in his final four.
"...He then took official visits to Pittsburgh, Xavier, Northwestern..."
I hope he doesn't keep us at Bey!I think it's time for Bey Watch.
Go get him! Adding depth and stockpiling talent is the ticket.
When Sacha Killeya-Jones committed to NC State there were 14 scholarship players on their roster. Someone had to leave. I'm thinking there should be more to this story. Was Bey leaving already, and if so why did he wait to announce it. Was NC State only going to release him if they were able to get a player to fill his roster spot first? Was he asked to leave and if so why?
My memory is a little fuzzy on this but I thought it Kopp or Bey for the wing spot, and when Kopp committed Bey no longer had a spot. I don't know if the circumstances have changed but a backup lead guard or a big seems like higher priorities at this point.
Except when you don't have itdepth is dumb
Bey's release from his letter of intent may specify that he can't sign with another ACC team. Just speculating. But if that is the case, 3 of his final 6 from last August (Miami, Pitt, NC State) would not be in play for the future. That might increase NU's chances with him.You have a good memory:
"In mid-August, Bey announced a final six of N.C. State, Miami, Xavier, Pittsburgh, Northwestern and Princeton. He then took official visits to Pittsburgh, Xavier, Northwestern and, finally, N.C. State in Raleigh at the start of October. Pittsburgh Coach Kevin Stallings visited Bey a few weeks after his trip to campus. He said Xavier was “really up there” while making his final decision and that he was still considering all six schools this week."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...c-state/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.bdb6e09dcea3
I can't imagine that would stand up on appeal. I don't care what "mutual decision" BS they are putting out there for public consumption. If Bey wants to go to Pitt or Miami, all he has to do is point out what is obvious to everyone. He was forced out, and unless NC State wants to try to defend that in open court, then they'd better let him go wherever he wants to go.Bey's release from his letter of intent may specify that he can't sign with another ACC team. Just speculating. But if that is the case, 3 of his final 6 from last August (Miami, Pitt, NC State) would not be in play for the future. That might increase NU's chances with him.
I'm sorry for my running theme, boys, but I think the last thing this group need is another 2 or 3.
Yes, depth is obviously good when it's smart. But if you add Bey, I'd argue that's eight scholarships for guys who should be a 2 or 3 on an upper echolan B10 team - Law, Gaines, Turner, Falzon, Taylor, Kopp, Nance plus Bey. That's an awful lot of bodies dedicated to two positions.
If you want to give me the argument that Nance will grow, I can see that. But for this year, he's still skinny and a 3.
That's also not considering Ash who should probably be a 2.
What class is he in? Would he have to sit a year like Turner?Bey's release from his letter of intent may specify that he can't sign with another ACC team. Just speculating. But if that is the case, 3 of his final 6 from last August (Miami, Pitt, NC State) would not be in play for the future. That might increase NU's chances with him.
Bey's release from his letter of intent may specify that he can't sign with another ACC team. Just speculating. But if that is the case, 3 of his final 6 from last August (Miami, Pitt, NC State) would not be in play for the future. That might increase NU's chances with him.
I'm sorry for my running theme, boys, but I think the last thing this group need is another 2 or 3.
Yes, depth is obviously good when it's smart. But if you add Bey, I'd argue that's eight scholarships for guys who should be a 2 or 3 on an upper echolan B10 team - Law, Gaines, Turner, Falzon, Taylor, Kopp, Nance plus Bey. That's an awful lot of bodies dedicated to two positions.
If you want to give me the argument that Nance will grow, I can see that. But for this year, he's still skinny and a 3.
That's also not considering Ash who should probably be a 2.
Would he be available to play this year? If not Law and Taylor would not be in the mix.100% agree with Sect. 112. We do not need another 2 or 3 with Law, Taylor, Turner, Gaines and Kopp and maybe Nance already taking minutes at the 2 or 3. InsideNU has stated that Gaines will be seeing minutes at PG or the 1. I would much prefer an experienced PG as a grad transfer as the backup PG. If Gaines does see minutes at the 1 it will show his versatility and it will show that the staff needs him on the floor more and that the staff realizes that JA is not a 1. I would prefer a 5th year PG who is a pass first guy who can set up a play and break a press in Big 10 play rather than Gaines or Ash as the primary backup PGs.
Would he be available to play this year? If not Law would not be in the mix.
Yes he would be available to play this year.
People do realize that as it stands now, NU has 5 scholarships to fill in the 2019-20 class, right? (One still open, plus losing Law, Pardon, Ash, Taylor.)
Getting a four-year player of Bey’s caliber is a no-brainer if possible.
We can use whatever terms we want - stretch ... positionless. Positionless works when you have size. In the end, if you want to take on Michigan, MSU and Purdue, at some point you need to be able to guard their bigs. Falzon DEFINATELY can't do that - especially against an above average stretch 4 who may be able to step out and shoot.
There's another consideration. I love Pardon, but he's not the perfect center and often needs some help. I'm not sure I trust Benson and Young to be much different for the future.
I can see the argument that you need ONE addition to Kopp, Nance, Turner and Gaines next year. But if Collins doesn't feel he has two strongly competitive guys in that group, the future core is not what we hope it is.
... Give me 5 guys between 6”5 and 6”9 who can shoot, handle, defend and I don’t really care what the other team lines up ...
6-8 and 6-9 ... I don't disagree at all.
Show me the 6-8+ NU players who can do two out of the three. I hope Nance can be one of those guys. Otherwise ...?
Versatile 6-7 and especially 6-6 and 6-5 are a dime a dozen. And even worse, they are a liability at the 4 on defense if you want to have an upper-tier team.
Yep, precisely this.I don't think Collins looks at positions in the old school "1 = PG, 2 = SG, 3 = SF, 4 = PF, 5 = C" context. He seems to like playing a "Lead Guard" along with three wings and a big, sometimes more a "Lead Guard" and four wings.
The roster makeup is starting to reflect the more modern "positionless basketball" philosophies.
Think it's been confirmed that he will be eligible to play this coming season. A kid transferring from a ACC school will not want to take a shirt.Haywood intimated earlier that it was Mooney or nobody for this class. Of course, that was before Bey became available, but it does seem to indicate there are no more attractive targets, be they point guards or whatever, out there that Collins is interested in pursuing. So if he still believes Bey can be a quality Big 10 player, there is no reason not to at least approach him. Sure, we have lots of wing players for next season -- so you redshirt Bey and add him to next year's recruiting class. (Which, by the way, has NO ONE at this point).
It's not height its functional ability. Draymond Green is 6'7" he plays a bunch of Center. Sanjay was what, a generous 6'7", probably realistically 6'6"? He could guard C's. Michigan has gone 4 out + 1 big a whole bunch in the years under Beilien. You need versatile players with length, strength, and quickness. Law can play stretch 4 IMO against 80% of the matchups we will see in conference, maybe more. Turner can guard the 4 in most situations too.6-8 and 6-9 ... I don't disagree at all.
Show me the 6-8+ NU players who can do two out of the three. I hope Nance can be one of those guys. Otherwise ...?
Versatile 6-7 and especially 6-6 and 6-5 are a dime a dozen. And even worse, they are a liability at the 4 on defense if you want to have an upper-tier team.
... I'd never heard it suggested that Falzon and Nance aren't big enough to play the "4" though, that's outright crazy. Feel like these people have not been watching much modern basketball ... Watch Loyola and others in the NCAAT last year, and watch the small-ball lineups the NBA semifinalists are putting on the court. Falzon's slower feet create more potential mismatches at the "4" than would Law's smaller body IMO.