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Must have run out of testosterone.Lia Thomas finished in 8th place in her final collegiate race!
Sorry to burst your bubble but it won’t.
Humanity is changing - most who believe in science would say we’re evolving!
While certain people want to demonize Lia, in 50 years she will be viewed as a civil rights hero. Mark my words.
We are saved!Lia Thomas finished in 8th place in her final collegiate race!
The fundamental nature of humanity hasn’t changed? It’s been 80 years since the Soviet Union and Germany did to Poland, what Russia is doing to Ukraine today.The fundamental nature of humanity hasn't changed in thousands of years. Just different iterations of the same fundamentals.
I haven't seen anybody demonize Lia. Big difference between demonizing someone and debating their choices. The primary focus has been on decisions made by the swimming authorities. Not Lia.
In 50 years the evolution of America you speak of - if left unchecked - will make civil rights a relic of the past.
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She looks pissed offI support Lia Thomas. I don’t mean to be mean, but just as the champion looks different, is it wrong for me to think the 3rd place finisher also looks different?
Lol. Eurocat always has the best questions!Taken to a logical conclusion, a woman’s college coach (in just about any sport, but not all - it might not be an advantage in gymnastics for example) needs to get a contract with a really good bonus if they win an NCAA National Championship. And then win it with all transvestites. If I am a college women's coach why would I not recruit all transvestites from here on out? Or even just two or three each year?
Lack of recruits? Since nearly 40 percent of young people claim to be LGBTQ in recent surveys, there should be some available in each sport, there must be hundreds if you just do the math. Again, that is LGBTQ, not transvestites alone and obviously not all gay people want to change their gender but still the number should work out to many five stars in each of the respective women's sports.
Nearly 40% Of U.S. Gen Zs, 30% Of Christians Identify as LGBTQ, Poll Shows
The results differed significantly from a February Gallup poll that showed just 5.6 percent of U.S. adults of all ages are not "heterosexual or straight."www.newsweek.com
This also raises an interesting question. What side of Title IX does Lia fall on? Does she count as a male athlete with the school required to use an equal investment in another female athlete? Or does she count as a female athlete consuming Title IX benefits as a biological male?
There aren’t that many ‘transvestites’ from which to recruit, dummy. And, as Thomas’ last place finish shows, simply having been born with male genitals does not guarantee success in women’s sports.Taken to a logical conclusion, a woman’s college coach (in just about any sport, but not all - it might not be an advantage in gymnastics for example) needs to get a contract with a really good bonus if they win an NCAA National Championship. And then win it with all transvestites. If I am a college women's coach why would I not recruit all transvestites from here on out? Or even just two or three each year?
Lack of recruits? Since nearly 40 percent of young people claim to be LGBTQ in recent surveys, there should be some available in each sport, there must be hundreds if you just do the math. Again, that is LGBTQ, not transvestites alone and obviously not all gay people want to change their gender but still the number should work out to many five stars in each of the respective women's sports.
Nearly 40% Of U.S. Gen Zs, 30% Of Christians Identify as LGBTQ, Poll Shows
The results differed significantly from a February Gallup poll that showed just 5.6 percent of U.S. adults of all ages are not "heterosexual or straight."www.newsweek.com
This also raises an interesting question. What side of Title IX does Lia fall on? Does she count as a male athlete with the school required to use an equal investment in another female athlete? Or does she count as a female athlete consuming Title IX benefits as a biological male?
We are saved!
But what about the people who finished 9th, 10th, and 11th? Their futures are irrevocably altered!Lia Thomas finished in 8th place in her final collegiate race!
There seemed to be some divine intervention in some of the cardiac games (Ron Dayne fumble, A-Train fumble, etc.).Lol. Eurocat always has the best questions!
This part struck me:
“While the large number of Millennials who identify as LGBTQ is attention-grabbing, Barna says what he found "really interesting is that 40 percent of them fall into the category of what we call the 'don'ts;' they don't believe that God exists, they don't care if God exists.”
Of course God does not exist. NU fans have known this for decades. But the fact that we remain fans is certainly a minor miracle.
Great!!There were two Republican governors today who vetoed legislation in their states banning biological males from competing in women's sports.
Progress!There were two Republican governors today who vetoed legislation in their states banning biological males from competing in women's sports.
RINO!!!!There were two Republican governors today who vetoed legislation in their states banning biological males from competing in women's sports.
I agree.No matter what you think about this issue, I highly recommend reading the governor of Utah‘s veto message linked below. It’s thoughtful, compassionate, and he’s clearly trying to find a compromise solution. It’s very much worth reading all the way to the end.
HB11 Veto Letter.pdf
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It’s an excellent letter that centers the trans athletes’ humanity.No matter what you think about this issue, I highly recommend reading the governor of Utah‘s veto message linked below. It’s thoughtful, compassionate, and he’s clearly trying to find a compromise solution. It’s very much worth reading all the way to the end.
HB11 Veto Letter.pdf
t.co
Could they not be celebrated competing in open competitions against other biological males and females who seek it?It’s an excellent letter that centers the trans athletes’ humanity.
Trans kids kill themselves a lot. They’re homeless and disowned a lot. Wouldn’t it be great for those kids to see examples of transgender athletes who are being celebrated? Maybe it’s not all so bad, you know?
Well put: you beat me to it. The Indiana governor also vetoed it.No matter what you think about this issue, I highly recommend reading the governor of Utah‘s veto message linked below. It’s thoughtful, compassionate, and he’s clearly trying to find a compromise solution. It’s very much worth reading all the way to the end.
HB11 Veto Letter.pdf
t.co
Actually, just the opposite. It serves as a rudder to prevent drifting in the lanes, thus faster times in the 500 metersWouldn’t that asset cause drag and slow her down in the pool?
I’ve learned not to question doctors about such matters.Actually, just the opposite. It serves as a rudder to prevent drifting in the lanes, thus faster times in the 500 meters
My opinion is that you cannot disenfranchise an entire gender to appease the psychological preference of such a small number of people.I’ve learned not to question doctors about such matters.
So I admit: I get why the parents of the athletes who lost to Lia are upset. But I empathize more with Lia and have seen a lot of internet hate aimed towards her. And I remind myself of how many hate crimes are aimed towards LGTBQ people (1 hate crime is too many at all times).
How do you feel as a parent of a former D1 athlete?
There was nothing that prevented Thomas from competing as a male. But allowing Thomas to compete as a female was wrong.…that’s quite the leap you made there.
How is inclusiveness of trans people the equivalent to the “old way” of blatant, systemic racism?
Allowing trans people to be themselves does not make us like the racist forefathers of prior generations. Quite the opposite, really.
No one has said Thomas could not compete. Just not in women's division. Maybe you make one all inclusive division (current mens division for simplicity) But if you want to compete as a woman, that should be reserved for biological women.Women who want to become trans men are free to transition and compete in men’s events if they undergo what Lia underwent to become a woman.
Fair is fair. It’s now truly a two way street.
Do you really think Lia underwent an elective procedure to endure harassment from millions of people just to win a gold?
And when it becomes two or three and the top biological woman is not even on the podium... How many transgender women saying that they are men are going to try to compete as men? You would likely never here of them because they would be unlikely to be successful. And they might have another problem considering that they would likley have to have testosterone injections and that would possibly make them ineligible to compete. And even testosterone suppression might be baned as using an illegal substanceThis whole situation is wrong on so many levels.The NCAA and the Ivy League are CHICKEN BLEEP in allowing Thomas or any transgender female athlete to compete against biological females.Let them have their own tournament against one another.To say that Thomas does not have a major advantage over biological females is ludicrous.A spot is literally being stolen from one of these women.It is not right nor fair for Thomas to be allowed to participate in this tournament.
496 th to 1st not because Thomas was faster but because of the group she competed against.. In fact Thomas was slower than as a male but still won going away.It’s all in your head!
Very powerful and persuasive letter. I liked the idea of using all of the pool lanes but limiting the championship title to women born women.
Very powerful and persuasive letter. I liked the idea of using all of the pool lanes but limiting the championship title to women born women.
Wow. I can’t believe that a real doctor thinks that to be the cause of the high suicide rate for the trans community. I expect as much from the cavemen on the boards, but I expected more from someone who is actually trained and certified to see and treat patients.My opinion is that you cannot disenfranchise an entire gender to appease the psychological preference of such a small number of people.
Competition should be determined by genetics- XX and XY
The high suicide rate of this group is unfortunate but reflects that reidentifying their sex does not solve the underlying psychological issues that plague them
I am not sure many biologic females could play D1 lacrosse but a biologic male with D1 skills would have no problem playing women's lacrosse at the highest level
What are the ones that you have considered, Coral? Or are you still hiding in @IGNORE2 ‘s safe place, behind the ignore function?Certainly an ingenious idea; one that I had never considered.
You add nothing but insults. Personal insults. Insults to common sense and human decency. Insults to even a basic level of intelligence. And then you go with the condescending BS. The hypocritical BS. I can’t tell whether you’re just trolling or that you have taken your liberalism to a level of mental illness. In either case, you belong on ignore.What are the ones that you have considered, Coral? Or are you still hiding in @IGNORE2 ‘s safe place, behind the ignore function?
Lol! The snowflakes are falling where I live. I can see some are posting here too.You add nothing but insults. Personal insults. Insults to common sense and human decency. Insults to even a basic level of intelligence. And then you go with the condescending BS. The hypocritical BS. I can’t tell whether you’re just trolling or that you have taken your liberalism to a level of mental illness. In either case, you belong on ignore.
GOUNUII
Let’s also remember that the coaches at Penn encouraged her to pursue this. Her teammates may be pissed, but there were a lot of people supporting her decision to compete.This thread brings me back to the crux of the issue for me… do we really think Lia Thomas went through all the crap thrown at her (as represented in this thread) just because she desperately wanted to be an NCAA champion? Or could it possibly be that it is a sincerely held personal situation played out in the public sphere while continuing to pursue a lifelong passion?
I seriously doubt she went thru this just to get a championship. I believe she believes she is a woman, and more power to her in all facets of her life except in athletic competition against women with two X chromosomes.This thread brings me back to the crux of the issue for me… do we really think Lia Thomas went through all the crap thrown at her (as represented in this thread) just because she desperately wanted to be an NCAA champion? Or could it possibly be that it is a sincerely held personal situation played out in the public sphere while continuing to pursue a lifelong passion?