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Sullivan the better QB at IA scrimmage?

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FanatiCat said:
One cannot equate tuition with value directly, otherwise very few students would attend universities that cost $90K. Perhaps those going banking or tech may have the early ROI. Hundreds of students at NU majoring in English, sociology, art history, theater, music education and whatnot. For med school your undergrad prestige doesn’t account for much (perhaps HPME is a good ROI though).

For my kid, perhaps I’m jaded as he probably wouldn’t have been admitted to NU although his stats were fine and he is smart enough to have done the work at NU. He decided to go elsewhere which I think is a great fit for him. He got merit scholarships which NU does not give, so I did not think $92K per year was necessarily worth it (would not qualify for any aid.)

Unpopular opinion based on research of admissions stats, observation on campus and interaction on visits and mentoring: I think NU is really deemphasizing the “smart suburban Midwest” students who made up the majority of the school in the 90s, for a mix of ultra elite stats students, upper class full pay, and first gen/underrepresented. As well as of course athletes and other “hooked” students.
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Like I have said. Middle class representation is basically gone. Some of the Athletes are about all that is left. Did not realize it was already up to more than $90k but should not be surprised. Hard to see the value anymore (for the group that actually pay full price) As far as undergrad prestige as far as med school, one exception is if that was what got you in in the first place
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Notebook: Braun stays tight-lipped about starters ahead of season opener

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techtim72 said:
That's my point. Every sport saw a major increase in the max scholarships allowed. Elite programs in a sport will likely have the pull to max out scholarships. Then every competing school with a comparable or an up and coming program will want to keep up with the Jone's. There's only so much money for scholarships school wide at a university. Lots of tough decisions.
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I’m afraid this will only make the year round traveling youth sports cabal a bigger industry - if there are tons more schollies available even in non revenue sports, so many will see that as a ticket to ride. I was not attuned to this. You really should have your kid work on being great at an obscure sport rather than football or basketball. The “stunt”’team can now go from 14 to 65 scholarships which is the biggest jump in the NCAA.
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Sullivan the better QB at IA scrimmage?

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CMcCat said:
I agree on your view of test optional. It doesn’t have to be the determining criteria but to eliminate it from the calculus is crazy, particularly in that it is a way for a student to be identified who would otherwise be missed.

On tuition, it’s unfortunate that the market associates value with price. Even if they could make the economics work, colleges have a strong disincentive to lower tuition as it signals lower quality. My child was looking at two schools at one point with one at $90k and one at $60k (net of aid the difference was even greater). Both are in the same metro area. Hard to believe the price difference was anything more than signaling. Fortunately, she chose the less expensive and - for many reasons - the better choice.
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One cannot equate tuition with value directly, otherwise very few students would attend universities that cost $90K. Perhaps those going banking or tech may have the early ROI. Hundreds of students at NU majoring in English, sociology, art history, theater, music education and whatnot. For med school your undergrad prestige doesn’t account for much (perhaps HPME is a good ROI though).

For my kid, perhaps I’m jaded as he probably wouldn’t have been admitted to NU although his stats were fine and he is smart enough to have done the work at NU. He decided to go elsewhere which I think is a great fit for him. He got merit scholarships which NU does not give, so I did not think $92K per year was necessarily worth it (would not qualify for any aid.)

Unpopular opinion based on research of admissions stats, observation on campus and interaction on visits and mentoring: I think NU is really deemphasizing the “smart suburban Midwest” students who made up the majority of the school in the 90s, for a mix of ultra elite stats students, upper class full pay, and first gen/underrepresented. As well as of course athletes and other “hooked” students.
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Big Ten TV Schedule: Week One (8/29-9/1)

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Styre said:
Welcome back for another year of Big Ten football, now featuring 18 teams! These are getting as long as the basketball schedules.

All times CENTRAL. All games available nationwide unless otherwise indicated.

First, the NU game:

Miami (OH) @ Northwestern
Saturday, August 31
2:30 PM, BTN*
PxP: Lisa Byington
Color: Jared Thomas

And the rest:

Thursday, August 29

Howard @ Rutgers
5:00 PM, BTN
PxP: Jason Horowitz
Color: Matt Millen

North Carolina @ Minnesota
7:00 PM, FOX
PxP: Jason Benetti
Color: Brock Huard

Eastern Illinois @ Illinois
8:00 PM, BTN
PxP: Mark Followill
Color: J Leman

Friday, August 30

Florida Atlantic @ Michigan State
6:00 PM, BTN
PxP: Jason Ross Jr.
Color: Brock Vereen

Western Michigan @ Wisconsin
8:00 PM, FS1
PxP: Tim Brando
Color: Devin Gardner

Saturday, August 31

#8 Penn State @ West Virginia (Big Noon Kickoff)
11:00 AM, FOX
PxP: Gus Johnson
Color: Joel Klatt

Illinois State @ #25 Iowa
11:00 AM, BTN*
PxP: Mark Followill
Color: Anthony Herron

Indiana State @ Purdue
11:00 AM, BTN*
PxP: Pat Boylan
Color: J Leman

Connecticut @ Maryland
11:00 AM, FS1
PxP: Connor Onion
Color: Mark Helfrich

Akron @ #2 Ohio State
2:30 PM, CBS
PxP: Brad Nessler
Color: Gary Danielson

UTEP @ Nebraska
2:30 PM, FOX
PxP: Jason Benetti
Color: Brock Huard

FIU @ Indiana
2:30 PM, BTN*
PxP: Joe Beninati
Color: Matt Barkley

UCLA @ Hawaii
6:30 PM, CBS
PxP: Rich Waltz
Color: Ross Tucker

Fresno State @ #9 Michigan
6:30 PM, NBC
PxP: Noah Eagle
Color: Todd Blackledge

Idaho @ #3 Oregon
6:30 PM, BTN
PxP: Guy Haberman
Color: Yogi Roth

Weber State @ Washington
10:00 PM, BTN
PxP: Jeff Levering
Color: Jake Butt

Sunday, September 1

#23 USC vs. #13 LSU @ Las Vegas, NV
6:30 PM, ABC
PxP: Rece Davis
Color: Kirk Herbstreit

*These are regional telecasts; check your local listings or the BTN GameFinder.
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