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First and foremost, I want to acknowledge big improvement from prior years for the most part. However, we have some work to do:
- Wildside was strong in attendance 30 min before tip off (kudos) but oddly subdued for much of the game. For a Friday night rivalry game, I thought this was odd. Took Collins and MN’s energy to fire up the crowd, which then fueled the ‘Cats late in the 2nd half and OT.
- Last 2 years, the Wildside rivaled the Raider’s Black Hole and pitbulled their way into opponent’s psyches. Terrance Shannon (Lock Him Up/No Means No), Miller Kopp (lol), Mason Gillis (DUI), and others were victims of the Wildside. This year, so far the energy has not been there—our students cannot be soft if we are going to continue to make WR into an elite fortress. I worry about this—maybe the new leaders of the Wildside are great, high achieving character people—which is awesome sure, but politeness and intimidation are opposite forces. Get mean guys.
- For the love of everything, please STOP selling seats behind the announcers to opposing fans!
- We outnumbered the Illini fans 60/40 (maybe slightly more), and we were louder overall
- Love the Ice Gothics
- Traffic flow out of the stadium is terrible when it full. Maybe a good problem, but they need better people flow or things could get really unsafe
- Hip hop music DJ plays is great
- Great win—let’s get some more
 
Traffic was bad, but not as bad as I expected. Lots of visitors will be clogging things up this year assuming they can parking in the lot like every year, being denied, and being forced to go searching for another space to park. The smart move will be arriving at least an extra 30 minutes early if possible, and bringing patience.

I'm not sold on the new uniforms, but they don't suck.

I'm worried about Barney and Nick playing 40 minutes a game.
 
Traffic was bad, but not as bad as I expected. Lots of visitors will be clogging things up this year assuming they can parking in the lot like every year, being denied, and being forced to go searching for another space to park. The smart move will be arriving at least an extra 30 minutes early if possible, and bringing patience.

I'm not sold on the new uniforms, but they don't suck.

I'm worried about Barney and Nick playing 40 minutes a game.
Sorry, meant pedestrian traffic. As in the concourses and stairs were really crowded for 15 minutes trying to get out.
 
- For the love of everything, please STOP selling seats behind the announcers to opposing fans!

I decided last night I hate ALL people who sit behind the announcers, including:
1) Dumb kids mugging for the camera
2) Opposing fans
3) Fans who don't notice the light is on and they're on tv
4) Fans who PRETEND they don't notice the light is on and they're on tv
5) People making lewd gestures
6) People leaning in to listen (this is worse actually during a ref conference, but I suppose I would too if I'm there).

Basically unless they just put Willie the Wildcat in those seats, I'm going to hate it.
 
Isn’t the wildside student run? They probably have new leadership.
Yes to student-run. No idea who leads it but feels like we are vanilla/nice this year so far. Lethargic at 8 PM on a Friday night against a rival? C’mon guys.

Last year Gragg (lol) had to put out pre-game statements about respecting opponents, etc. which tells you how awesome and crazy they were. Need to bring the Wildside edge of the last 2 years back pronto if we are going to have sustained success.

Hopefully, Wildside leadership this and makes changes. Or, the rank and file takes over on their own and turns it up to 11. This stuff actually matters.
 
First and foremost, I want to acknowledge big improvement from prior years for the most part. However, we have some work to do:
- Wildside was strong in attendance 30 min before tip off (kudos) but oddly subdued for much of the game. For a Friday night rivalry game, I thought this was odd. Took Collins and MN’s energy to fire up the crowd, which then fueled the ‘Cats late in the 2nd half and OT.
- Last 2 years, the Wildside rivaled the Raider’s Black Hole and pitbulled their way into opponent’s psyches. Terrance Shannon (Lock Him Up/No Means No), Miller Kopp (lol), Mason Gillis (DUI), and others were victims of the Wildside. This year, so far the energy has not been there—our students cannot be soft if we are going to continue to make WR into an elite fortress. I worry about this—maybe the new leaders of the Wildside are great, high achieving character people—which is awesome sure, but politeness and intimidation are opposite forces. Get mean guys.
- For the love of everything, please STOP selling seats behind the announcers to opposing fans!
- We outnumbered the Illini fans 60/40 (maybe slightly more), and we were louder overall
- Love the Ice Gothics
- Traffic flow out of the stadium is terrible when it full. Maybe a good problem, but they need better people flow or things could get really unsafe
- Hip hop music DJ plays is great
- Great win—let’s get some more
Props on the win, but this is just not true. I was there in 218 (such an underrated spot to watch a game!), and I would say the non-student crowd in the lower bowl was maybe 55/45 Northwestern. The upper bowl was no less than 75% Illini fans. There were pretty clearly more Illinois fans overall, and anyone who spent 30 seconds in the concourse could tell you that. However, NU fans were certainly louder, and I’m not sure I get the criticism of the student section. They were engaged the entire time and got really loud toward the end.
 
Props on the win, but this is just not true. I was there in 218 (such an underrated spot to watch a game!), and I would say the non-student crowd in the lower bowl was maybe 55/45 Northwestern. The upper bowl was no less than 75% Illini fans. There were pretty clearly more Illinois fans overall, and anyone who spent 30 seconds in the concourse could tell you that. However, NU fans were certainly louder, and I’m not sure I get the criticism of the student section. They were engaged the entire time and got really loud toward the end.
I was right there. Lower bowl was 65/35. Upper bowl 55/45. We were louder. Students were a bit more subdued than normal and can/should be better throughout, not just toward the end.
 
I decided last night I hate ALL people who sit behind the announcers, including:
1) Dumb kids mugging for the camera
2) Opposing fans
3) Fans who don't notice the light is on and they're on tv
4) Fans who PRETEND they don't notice the light is on and they're on tv
5) People making lewd gestures
6) People leaning in to listen (this is worse actually during a ref conference, but I suppose I would too if I'm there).

Basically unless they just put Willie the Wildcat in those seats, I'm going to hate it.
Note to self: Stay off of Smelly’s lawn.
 
I was right there. Lower bowl was 65/35. Upper bowl 55/45. We were louder. Students were a bit more subdued than normal and can/should be better throughout, not just toward the end.
Yeah it wasn’t close to an Illinois majority. Lower bowl was at least 2/3 purple (white). Upper deck ~split. Far fewer Illinois fans than we’ve seen in the dark years, and they were out-cheered, but still too many!
 
Yeah it wasn’t close to an Illinois majority. Lower bowl was at least 2/3 purple (white). Upper deck ~split. Far fewer Illinois fans than we’ve seen in the dark years, and they were out-cheered, but still too many!
I was there and I agree. I had some Illini fans next to me and they were nice and respectful too even when they were up by 10. They left in a hurry after the game:). Cats fans were loud and engaged.
 
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The problem isn’t the students. The problem is the turn coats in the Wilson Club.
Amen, but in fairness, some of those seats may be corporate. Student engagement is terrific! As for taunting, creative, good natured stuff is one thing, but I don't like ugly personal attacks on players.
 
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Student "taunting" is encouraged (by me).

When Iowa had two Murrays, Keegan and Kris - Keegan went to the NBA and twin brother Kris was still playing for Iowa.
Students were chanting "Kee-gan's bet-ter"
Thats pretty good - and not offensive.

I think "You Can't do that" after an opponent commits a foul is good.

Stuff like that - but it seems to have been mandated out by NU and thats annoying and sad at the same time.
 
Student "taunting" is encouraged (by me).

When Iowa had two Murrays, Keegan and Kris - Keegan went to the NBA and twin brother Kris was still playing for Iowa.
Students were chanting "Kee-gan's bet-ter"
Thats pretty good - and not offensive.

I think "You Can't do that" after an opponent commits a foul is good.

Stuff like that - but it seems to have been mandated out by NU and thats annoying and sad at the same time.
Would be great if we could get a profile on the Wildside from WR, given they are so integral to our success in b ball. If not here, maybe the crackerjack staff over at INU?

Wonder if there are students on this board who can share what changed?
 
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Student "taunting" is encouraged (by me).

When Iowa had two Murrays, Keegan and Kris - Keegan went to the NBA and twin brother Kris was still playing for Iowa.
Students were chanting "Kee-gan's bet-ter"
Thats pretty good - and not offensive.

I think "You Can't do that" after an opponent commits a foul is good.

Stuff like that - but it seems to have been mandated out by NU and thats annoying and sad at the same time.
Plenty of ways to rattle the cage without hitting below the belt. I didn’t like the DUI chants but I certainly appreciated the energy.
 
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Plenty of ways to rattle the cage without hitting below the belt. I didn’t like the DUI chants but I certainly appreciated the energy.
Like maybe don’t get a DUI or get arrested and then we won’t chant about it? Or don’t be a douchebag on your way out and slam the school? Not a high bar to clear here.

We should be edgy and loud.
 
Plenty of ways to rattle the cage without hitting below the belt. I didn’t like the DUI chants but I certainly appreciated the energy.
I have a love-hate relationship with this stuff. As a student, 30+ years ago, I would've happily participated in most everything and probably shouted plenty of inappropriate things, but even then I knew when a line was crossed. Things have changed though.

I think the Shannon stuff was fair game - at the time - even though it was in poor taste. That he was exonerated doesn't mean fans should chant, "we were wrong" in the next game, but I think each fan who did it should acknowledge it, at least to themselves.

Mostly though, I just want the student section rocking and engaged. Standing to sing to fight song, knowing when the team is going to need a lift, etc. Also: to know the rules of basketball.
 
Would be great if we could get a profile on the Wildside from WR, given they are so integral to our success in b ball. If not here, maybe the crackerjack staff over at INU?

Wonder if there are students on this board who can share what changed?
My daughter told me last year that there had been an edict issued to the students about taunting opposing players.
Sometime after Illinois let Shannon play while facing felony charges.

She read it to me and it was so middle-school it made me nauseous.
Be kind to our invited guests... Don't embarrass the university. Don't use bad words And then some threats about punishment. Or at least thats how I remember it.
 
Back in the ancient days of the mid-2000s, before the Wildside existed, I used to make newsletters for each game to pass out in the student section. Some of the stuff was basic "how to cheer during games", but the bulk was about the other team.

Facebook was still in its infancy and people were much less concerned about privacy, so I would "friend" the opposing team's players and scour their profiles for any information that could be used to chant at them - movies they liked, names of girlfriends - anything that might throw them off. I'd also look for any news articles and arrest records, which I considered to be fair game.

My pinnacle though was before that, when we were playing Iowa and hounding Pierre Pierce in the Michael Jenkins game. Steve Alford got so upset at what we were chanting that he made security threaten to kick us out if we didn't stop. We stopped, until it seemed like the game was out of reach and we decided that we might as well go back to it and get kicked out, except suddenly the 'Cats started making a comeback, which eventually culminated in the game going to OT where Jenkins won the game at the buzzer.
 
Like maybe don’t get a DUI or get arrested and then we won’t chant about it? Or don’t be a douchebag on your way out and slam the school? Not a high bar to clear here.

We should be edgy and loud.
That's all fine. I'm not going on social media to lecture people about it. Gillis is young and stupid, and will probably figure it out at some point.
 
Back in the ancient days of the mid-2000s, before the Wildside existed, I used to make newsletters for each game to pass out in the student section. Some of the stuff was basic "how to cheer during games", but the bulk was about the other team.

Facebook was still in its infancy and people were much less concerned about privacy, so I would "friend" the opposing team's players and scour their profiles for any information that could be used to chant at them - movies they liked, names of girlfriends - anything that might throw them off. I'd also look for any news articles and arrest records, which I considered to be fair game.

My pinnacle though was before that, when we were playing Iowa and hounding Pierre Pierce in the Michael Jenkins game. Steve Alford got so upset at what we were chanting that he made security threaten to kick us out if we didn't stop. We stopped, until it seemed like the game was out of reach and we decided that we might as well go back to it and get kicked out, except suddenly the 'Cats started making a comeback, which eventually culminated in the game going to OT where Jenkins won the game at the buzzer.
This is amazing and so effective to the point the opposing coach is more worried about our student section than the game. Home court advantage in the spades.
 
My daughter told me last year that there had been an edict issued to the students about taunting opposing players.
Sometime after Illinois let Shannon play while facing felony charges.

She read it to me and it was so middle-school it made me nauseous.
Be kind to our invited guests... Don't embarrass the university. Don't use bad words And then some threats about punishment. Or at least thats how I remember it.
Positively Dr. Ggarg.
 
I was right there. Lower bowl was 65/35. Upper bowl 55/45. We were louder. Students were a bit more subdued than normal and can/should be better throughout, not just toward the end.
I guess we’ll just have to disagree, lol. Your citing of colors seems to ignore than a little less than half of Illini fans seemed to be wearing navy around me. Lower bowl might have been 65/35 if you count the students but zero chance for non-student fans. And even if the math worked out for more NU fans overall, saying Illinois didn’t have a majority in the upper bowl is pure madness. Again, it was no less than 75%, dude. Either way, who cares? You earned the important thing - the W.

As for the person saying the chants toward Shannon were fair game at the time … seriously? The lesson learned is that you shouldn’t lazily assume someone’s guilt without a shred of evidence, not that you can immediately assume guilt until he can officially clear his name months later and privately apologize to yourself, lol. That kid endured incredibly classless treatment based on what turned out to be a ludicrous allegation with zero evidence, and he handled it with dignity and maturity all while being asked to carry his team on the court … as most who followed the case were saying from the start and were simply accused of being biased Illini fans. I’ll admit this forced me to reconsider how I now view these things when it will inevitably come to a rival team’s player, but those chants simply weren’t justified. Period. Your students chanted “Lock Him Up!” at an innocent college kid without even circumstantial evidence. 🤣 It’s an understandable thing to do at the time, sure, but if anything it highlighted an alarming number of Americans who IMMEDIATELY assume someone’s guilt based on an allegation … to double down on it after the exoneration is nuts.
 
I guess we’ll just have to disagree, lol. Your citing of colors seems to ignore than a little less than half of Illini fans seemed to be wearing navy around me. Lower bowl might have been 65/35 if you count the students but zero chance for non-student fans. And even if the math worked out for more NU fans overall, saying Illinois didn’t have a majority in the upper bowl is pure madness. Again, it was no less than 75%, dude. Either way, who cares? You earned the important thing - the W.

As for the person saying the chants toward Shannon were fair game at the time … seriously? The lesson learned is that you shouldn’t lazily assume someone’s guilt without a shred of evidence, not that you can immediately assume guilt until he can officially clear his name months later and privately apologize to yourself, lol. That kid endured incredibly classless treatment based on what turned out to be a ludicrous allegation with zero evidence, and he handled it with dignity and maturity all while being asked to carry his team on the court … as most who followed the case were saying from the start and were simply accused of being biased Illini fans. I’ll admit this forced me to reconsider how I now view these things when it will inevitably come to a rival team’s player, but those chants simply weren’t justified. Period. Your students chanted “Lock Him Up!” at an innocent college kid without even circumstantial evidence. 🤣 It’s an understandable thing to do at the time, sure, but if anything it highlighted an alarming number of Americans who IMMEDIATELY assume someone’s guilt based on an allegation … to double down on it after the exoneration is nuts.
“Either way, who cares?”

But here you are on our board taking offense to anyone saying NU had the majority of fans.

So obviously, you care, ALOT! Which is really strange.
 
Back in the ancient days of the mid-2000s, before the Wildside existed, I used to make newsletters for each game to pass out in the student section. Some of the stuff was basic "how to cheer during games", but the bulk was about the other team.

Facebook was still in its infancy and people were much less concerned about privacy, so I would "friend" the opposing team's players and scour their profiles for any information that could be used to chant at them - movies they liked, names of girlfriends - anything that might throw them off. I'd also look for any news articles and arrest records, which I considered to be fair game.

My pinnacle though was before that, when we were playing Iowa and hounding Pierre Pierce in the Michael Jenkins game. Steve Alford got so upset at what we were chanting that he made security threaten to kick us out if we didn't stop. We stopped, until it seemed like the game was out of reach and we decided that we might as well go back to it and get kicked out, except suddenly the 'Cats started making a comeback, which eventually culminated in the game going to OT where Jenkins won the game at the buzzer.
in, the early 1960s well before NIL and the wild side we played Illinois and one of their players was given money by booster and was exposed. As he was introduced a group of us waved dollar bills at him. That was our wild side and it was a huge hit. A photo by a Tribune photographer made it in the Tribune. Times have changed
 
I guess we’ll just have to disagree, lol. Your citing of colors seems to ignore than a little less than half of Illini fans seemed to be wearing navy around me. Lower bowl might have been 65/35 if you count the students but zero chance for non-student fans. And even if the math worked out for more NU fans overall, saying Illinois didn’t have a majority in the upper bowl is pure madness. Again, it was no less than 75%, dude. Either way, who cares? You earned the important thing - the W.

As for the person saying the chants toward Shannon were fair game at the time … seriously? The lesson learned is that you shouldn’t lazily assume someone’s guilt without a shred of evidence, not that you can immediately assume guilt until he can officially clear his name months later and privately apologize to yourself, lol. That kid endured incredibly classless treatment based on what turned out to be a ludicrous allegation with zero evidence, and he handled it with dignity and maturity all while being asked to carry his team on the court … as most who followed the case were saying from the start and were simply accused of being biased Illini fans. I’ll admit this forced me to reconsider how I now view these things when it will inevitably come to a rival team’s player, but those chants simply weren’t justified. Period. Your students chanted “Lock Him Up!” at an innocent college kid without even circumstantial evidence. 🤣 It’s an understandable thing to do at the time, sure, but if anything it highlighted an alarming number of Americans who IMMEDIATELY assume someone’s guilt based on an allegation … to double down on it after the exoneration is nuts.
Not really reading all that but seems you forgot about the “SVU!” chants which were absolute *chef’s kiss* by the Wildside. The best.

My apologies that WR isn’t super friendly to your team anymore.
 
I guess we’ll just have to disagree, lol. Your citing of colors seems to ignore than a little less than half of Illini fans seemed to be wearing navy around me. Lower bowl might have been 65/35 if you count the students but zero chance for non-student fans. And even if the math worked out for more NU fans overall, saying Illinois didn’t have a majority in the upper bowl is pure madness. Again, it was no less than 75%, dude. Either way, who cares? You earned the important thing - the W.

As for the person saying the chants toward Shannon were fair game at the time … seriously? The lesson learned is that you shouldn’t lazily assume someone’s guilt without a shred of evidence, not that you can immediately assume guilt until he can officially clear his name months later and privately apologize to yourself, lol. That kid endured incredibly classless treatment based on what turned out to be a ludicrous allegation with zero evidence, and he handled it with dignity and maturity all while being asked to carry his team on the court … as most who followed the case were saying from the start and were simply accused of being biased Illini fans. I’ll admit this forced me to reconsider how I now view these things when it will inevitably come to a rival team’s player, but those chants simply weren’t justified. Period. Your students chanted “Lock Him Up!” at an innocent college kid without even circumstantial evidence. 🤣 It’s an understandable thing to do at the time, sure, but if anything it highlighted an alarming number of Americans who IMMEDIATELY assume someone’s guilt based on an allegation … to double down on it after the exoneration is nuts.
I'm sure even you would agree that no means no, so you were surely in agreement with the Wildside chanting such an obvious truth that everyone should support.
 
I guess we’ll just have to disagree, lol. Your citing of colors seems to ignore than a little less than half of Illini fans seemed to be wearing navy around me. Lower bowl might have been 65/35 if you count the students but zero chance for non-student fans. And even if the math worked out for more NU fans overall, saying Illinois didn’t have a majority in the upper bowl is pure madness. Again, it was no less than 75%, dude. Either way, who cares? You earned the important thing - the W.

As for the person saying the chants toward Shannon were fair game at the time … seriously? The lesson learned is that you shouldn’t lazily assume someone’s guilt without a shred of evidence, not that you can immediately assume guilt until he can officially clear his name months later and privately apologize to yourself, lol. That kid endured incredibly classless treatment based on what turned out to be a ludicrous allegation with zero evidence, and he handled it with dignity and maturity all while being asked to carry his team on the court … as most who followed the case were saying from the start and were simply accused of being biased Illini fans. I’ll admit this forced me to reconsider how I now view these things when it will inevitably come to a rival team’s player, but those chants simply weren’t justified. Period. Your students chanted “Lock Him Up!” at an innocent college kid without even circumstantial evidence. 🤣 It’s an understandable thing to do at the time, sure, but if anything it highlighted an alarming number of Americans who IMMEDIATELY assume someone’s guilt based on an allegation … to double down on it after the exoneration is nuts.
It’s not that deep.
 
“Either way, who cares?”

But here you are on our board taking offense to anyone saying NU had the majority of fans.

So obviously, you care, ALOT! Which is really strange.
For some reason, it’s very, very important to certain Illinois fans to make the point that they have a much larger student body that largely goes to work in the largest economic market in the state, which happens to be close to small private school that sends its graduates nationally.
 
Back in the ancient days of the mid-2000s, before the Wildside existed, I used to make newsletters for each game to pass out in the student section. Some of the stuff was basic "how to cheer during games", but the bulk was about the other team.

Facebook was still in its infancy and people were much less concerned about privacy, so I would "friend" the opposing team's players and scour their profiles for any information that could be used to chant at them - movies they liked, names of girlfriends - anything that might throw them off. I'd also look for any news articles and arrest records, which I considered to be fair game.

My pinnacle though was before that, when we were playing Iowa and hounding Pierre Pierce in the Michael Jenkins game. Steve Alford got so upset at what we were chanting that he made security threaten to kick us out if we didn't stop. We stopped, until it seemed like the game was out of reach and we decided that we might as well go back to it and get kicked out, except suddenly the 'Cats started making a comeback, which eventually culminated in the game going to OT where Jenkins won the game at the buzzer.

So edgy back in the day. When did you become so puritanical?
 
As for the person saying the chants toward Shannon were fair game at the time … seriously?

Here was my reasoning at the time.
If a player is facing trial for a felony, he should not be playing.
Its really easy and I stand by it - for all universities.
It has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence.
It is simply a matter of principle.

If you are charged with a felony, you should not be playing college sports while you await resolution.
Pretty simple, right?
Could it suck for the wrongly accused? Yes it could. Does it suck for the opposition if they're playing against somebody who is guilty of a felony? Absolutely.

If you really want to rage about it, talk to the (former) DA in Lawrence, Kansas.

Shannon is suing the Lawrence police department for $12 million, if that makes you feel better.
 
For some reason, it’s very, very important to certain Illinois fans to make the point that they have a much larger student body that largely goes to work in the largest economic market in the state, which happens to be close to small private school that sends its graduates nationally.
I've been trying to do the mental math on this. Illinois has 37,000+ undergrads, so let's call in 9,000 new alumni per year, and I'd guess 80% of them end up in Chicagoland, as their enrollment is overwhelmingly in-state. 50 years of alumni = 360,000 Chicago-area alums. NU has 8,000+ undergrads, so call it 2,000 new alumni per year, and I'd guess 25% of them end up in Chicagoland, since that's roughly the percentage that hails from the state of Illinois. 50 years of alums = 25,000 Chicago-area alums. That's 14-times more Illinois alums in Chicago than NU alums. By that measure, the crowd should have been 93% orange-and-blue. Pretty weak showing, Illini Nation.
 
Everything is fair game. Everything. These kids are getting lots of money to play, and these kids’ (parents) are paying tons of money to attend in the student section.

Back in the ‘one row of student fans’ days of 2000, my favorite was to repeatedly tell a starter for the other team that he was ugly. “Johnson! You’re ugly!” It rarely worked (where working is defined as a Wildcat victory) but it was fun.

I don’t much like ‘bullshit’ chants.
 
Everything is fair game. Everything. These kids are getting lots of money to play, and these kids’ (parents) are paying tons of money to attend in the student section.

Back in the ‘one row of student fans’ days of 2000, my favorite was to repeatedly tell a starter for the other team that he was ugly. “Johnson! You’re ugly!” It rarely worked (where working is defined as a Wildcat victory) but it was fun.

I don’t much like ‘bullshit’ chants.

How's the "ugly" chant working out these days?
 
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