OT: NL will use DH for EVER :(

[IGNORE2]

I think the QO makes sense too. I think the Sox need more quality arms next year. If Vaughan bounces back and sheets is for real, Garcia can challenge Hernandez until a better solution becomes available.

But I would like to see four solid starters and two or three good bets. And need to keep Dallas under 160 if he doesn’t show anything.

Gio, Lynn, maybe cease are solid. Rodon, Kopech are good bets. Slide crochet to the Kopech position. Add one more quality starter - maybe one year flyer on Bauer? He’s got to be done in LA and flirted w Chicago last year.

And extend gio, Vaughan and sheets. Then draft and trade for high caliber catcher not ready for majors yet. Maybe send off burger, adolph, Mercedes, Collins, Seb…

 

[corbi296]

I think a QO makes sense for him. He made $3MM this year and would make around $19MM if he took it, which is obviously enough money to set him up for life. He also could spin the tired on a long term deal again should he prove he can throw 150IP. I wouldn't be surprised if he is looking at a Nathan Eovaldi type deal if he crushes it again next year

And this is all conjecture I don't ask them this kinda stuff because they wouldn't tell me. Nor should they.

He is exactly the type of pitcher I could see the Cubs making a run at this offseason if he is non tendered.

 

[NU Houston]

Already done. Actually coming in Wednesday night now. Two games and out at dawn on Saturday as I have obligations back home.

More good news, I predict the cats won’t lose next week.

Btw, my guys pulled victory from defeat tonight and Dallas probably pitched his last chance for the postseason into the garbage. These guys are clicking at the perfect time. Bring on the post season.

Safe travels, and enjoy the games! May the better team win. 😁

Looks like we'll have some good weather here this week (by Houston standards this time of year). Low humidity, sunny skies, highs in the 80s. Maybe they'll even open the roof and make the stadium feel less like a mall...

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

I think the QO makes sense too. I think the Sox need more quality arms next year. If Vaughan bounces back and sheets is for real, Garcia can challenge Hernandez until a better solution becomes available.

But I would like to see four solid starters and two or three good bets. And need to keep Dallas under 160 if he doesn’t show anything.

Gio, Lynn, maybe cease are solid. Rodon, Kopech are good bets. Slide crochet to the Kopech position. Add one more quality starter - maybe one year flyer on Bauer? He’s got to be done in LA and flirted w Chicago last year.

And extend gio, Vaughan and sheets. Then draft and trade for high caliber catcher not ready for majors yet. Maybe send off burger, adolph, Mercedes, Collins, Seb…

Kopech will move to the rotation. Carlos will leave because the Sox just don’t deal with Boras. He is a 1-2 year contract at best. If he turns into Max Scherzer you loss your bet. There is cash to get another SP, RF or 2B. The team is still a little short. The offense should score a million next year with most players getting into their prime.

 

[IGNORE2]

Kopech will move to the rotation. Carlos will leave because the Sox just don’t deal with Boras. He is a 1-2 year contract at best. If he turns into Max Scherzer you loss your bet. There is cash to get another SP, RF or 2B. The team is still a little short. The offense should score a million next year with most players getting into their prime.

Using the QO eliminates Boras to the equation. And also reduces Carlos value next offseason as he won’t be eligible for QO to the signing team. In fact, if Carlos pitches well, nobody gets hurt in the pitching crew and Kopech and cease look good - trade him at the deadline. Second half is his biggest question mark anyway. Maybe get a young catcher or 2b. Maybe Angeles will be ready to cash out with shontei.

I think our RF of the future is in the system. Not so sure about 2B and C.

 

[chicagocatfan24]

He is exactly the type of pitcher I could see the Cubs making a run at this offseason if he is non tendered

I think the QO makes sense too. I think the Sox need more quality arms next year. If Vaughan bounces back and sheets is for real, Garcia can challenge Hernandez until a better solution becomes available.

But I would like to see four solid starters and two or three good bets. And need to keep Dallas under 160 if he doesn’t show anything.

Gio, Lynn, maybe cease are solid. Rodon, Kopech are good bets. Slide crochet to the Kopech position. Add one more quality starter - maybe one year flyer on Bauer? He’s got to be done in LA and flirted w Chicago last year.

And extend gio, Vaughan and sheets. Then draft and trade for high caliber catcher not ready for majors yet. Maybe send off burger, adolph, Mercedes, Collins, Seb…

They'd DFA Dallas prior to reaching 160. Unless he has some miraculous bounce back year, he won't be in Chicago in 2023.

They've tried extending Vaughn, Gio and Cease already. None took their deals and gambled on themselves. Doesn't mean they can't try again this winter though.

 

[IGNORE2]

They'd DFA Dallas prior to reaching 160. Unless he has some miraculous bounce back year, he won't be in Chicago in 2023.

They've tried extending Vaughn, Gio and Cease already. None took their deals and gambled on themselves. Doesn't mean they can't try again this winter though.

I would expect them to try. And to maintain a longer window, you ultimately have to sell valuable pieces. Cease and Vaughan are under control for awhile, but maybe you plan Gio's exit. Sounds like Ohtani isn't happy about the Angels lack of competitive nature. Perhaps you make a run for Gio for Ohtani. Angels get an extra year of control for Gio and the Sox get a two way player they might realistically resign given his desire to win.

Sox fill their DH and/or RF gap and maintain their pitching quality. Angels don't see Ohtani just walk away and get another top of the rotation pitcher. Maybe throw in a Mercedes to close the deal.

I would also like to see the Sox make a run at Bauer this offseason on a one year prove it deal. I don't see him wearing Dodger Blue ever again - and we look real good with him in the rotation with all our other pieces. Bauer - Gio / Ohtani - Lynn - Cease - Kopech w Rodon and Crochet for injury starts is a solid and affordable rotation.

TA
LuBob
Abreu
Ohtani
Jiminez
Moncada
Grandal
Sheets / Vaughan
2B

That lineup rakes. Add Kimbrel and Hendricks at the back of the bullpen - I don't care what corbi might say, that is the team to beat and World Series favorites.

 

[hoosboot]

I would expect them to try. And to maintain a longer window, you ultimately have to sell valuable pieces. Cease and Vaughan are under control for awhile, but maybe you plan Gio's exit. Sounds like Ohtani isn't happy about the Angels lack of competitive nature. Perhaps you make a run for Gio for Ohtani. Angels get an extra year of control for Gio and the Sox get a two way player they might realistically resign given his desire to win.

Sox fill their DH and/or RF gap and maintain their pitching quality. Angels don't see Ohtani just walk away and get another top of the rotation pitcher. Maybe throw in a Mercedes to close the deal.

I would also like to see the Sox make a run at Bauer this offseason on a one year prove it deal. I don't see him wearing Dodger Blue ever again - and we look real good with him in the rotation with all our other pieces. Bauer - Gio / Ohtani - Lynn - Cease - Kopech w Rodon and Crochet for injury starts is a solid and affordable rotation.

TA
LuBob
Abreu
Ohtani
Jiminez
Moncada
Grandal
Sheets / Vaughan
2B

That lineup rakes. Add Kimbrel and Hendricks at the back of the bullpen - I don't care what corbi might say, that is the team to beat and World Series favorites.

Doesn't Bauer have 2 years/$80 million left on the deal he signed with the Dodgers? I don't see the Sox taking that on.

And it will take a helluva lot more than Gio and Mercedes to pry Ohtani away from the Angels. I mean, should we offer Jose Ruiz and Gavin Sheets for Trout, too? Angels are desperately in win-now mode with Trout and Rendon in their peak windows and Ohtani practically pays for himself with the marketing bump he provides, so we'd have to blow them away with something to get Shohei.

 

[chicagocatfan24]

I would expect them to try. And to maintain a longer window, you ultimately have to sell valuable pieces. Cease and Vaughan are under control for awhile, but maybe you plan Gio's exit. Sounds like Ohtani isn't happy about the Angels lack of competitive nature. Perhaps you make a run for Gio for Ohtani. Angels get an extra year of control for Gio and the Sox get a two way player they might realistically resign given his desire to win.

Sox fill their DH and/or RF gap and maintain their pitching quality. Angels don't see Ohtani just walk away and get another top of the rotation pitcher. Maybe throw in a Mercedes to close the deal.

I would also like to see the Sox make a run at Bauer this offseason on a one year prove it deal. I don't see him wearing Dodger Blue ever again - and we look real good with him in the rotation with all our other pieces. Bauer - Gio / Ohtani - Lynn - Cease - Kopech w Rodon and Crochet for injury starts is a solid and affordable rotation.

TA
LuBob
Abreu
Ohtani
Jiminez
Moncada
Grandal
Sheets / Vaughan
2B

That lineup rakes. Add Kimbrel and Hendricks at the back of the bullpen - I don't care what corbi might say, that is the team to beat and World Series favorites.

-Bauer will never pitch again. He's in deep shit from everything I've heard.
-I have a feeling we aren't going to see Ohtani pitch that much longer.
-Giolito won't sign an extension unless it starts with a 2 and I don't see Sox doing that. Wouldn't be shocked if he's traded in a sort of "Rays" move where they subtract yet still add. Would have to get really creative there

My own concern for next year is getting a RF. Engel looks like he could have stuck as a quality starter but you need to hedge against his health at this point. Stop picking around and get one

 

[Alvious]

My own concern for next year is getting a RF. Engel looks like he could have stuck as a quality starter but you need to hedge against his health at this point. Stop picking around and get one

You mean the RF of the future isn't Blake Rutherford?
/s

 

[NUCat320]

And you are perfectly entitled to feel that way. Obviously I don’t agree but that’s what makes message boards entertaining. Something different to talk about than one of the the mindless fire O’Neil and/or Springer threads that pollute the board these days.

Fire O’Neil.

 

[NUCat320]

Despite being on pace to win 90+ games, they've been inconsistent this year on offense and on the mound, which is why I'm nervous heading into the playoffs. They scored 35 runs in a four game series with the Rangers last week (on the road), and yet have scored only eight runs so far in two games against the lowly Diamondbacks (at home).

Baseball is a funny game. No telling what will happen when the playoffs start. The Astros lost the WS two years ago to a wild card team, and that was with Cole and Verlander in the rotation. The White Sox may have some weaknesses heading into the playoffs, but most other teams (including the Astros) do too.

Just catching up on this stupid thread.

In October, I want YuliGuli on my team.

 

[NUCat320]

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[NUCat320]

Getting back to the topic at hand, I was dorking around baseballreference during the Wild Card game, and was reintroduced to the existence of the Edgar Martinez award, given every year to the top DH. (Is it Nellie Cruz? It should always be Nellie.)

Anyway, last year, 2020, WHEN THE NL USED A DH, the award went to NL DH Marcell Ozuna! How about that!!?

 

[IGNORE2]

Doesn't Bauer have 2 years/$80 million left on the deal he signed with the Dodgers? I don't see the Sox taking that on.

And it will take a helluva lot more than Gio and Mercedes to pry Ohtani away from the Angels. I mean, should we offer Jose Ruiz and Gavin Sheets for Trout, too? Angels are desperately in win-now mode with Trout and Rendon in their peak windows and Ohtani practically pays for himself with the marketing bump he provides, so we'd have to blow them away with something to get Shohei.

Ohtani has year left and is rumored that he is ready to leave. Gio has two years left and is much cheaper. Both are top of the rotation guys. Ohtani can hit otherwise Gio more valuable than Ohtani. But Sox can wait a year and pursue in free agency if that’s their interest and Angels overvalue him.

 

[IGNORE2]

-Bauer will never pitch again. He's in deep shit from everything I've heard.
-I have a feeling we aren't going to see Ohtani pitch that much longer.
-Giolito won't sign an extension unless it starts with a 2 and I don't see Sox doing that. Wouldn't be shocked if he's traded in a sort of "Rays" move where they subtract yet still add. Would have to get really creative there

My own concern for next year is getting a RF. Engel looks like he could have stuck as a quality starter but you need to hedge against his health at this point. Stop picking around and get one

I’m going to disagree about Bauer. I bet he pitches. (And to the question, he has opt out clause after this season.)

No idea why Ohtani wouldn’t keep pitching. And if the Sox wanted to run a six man rotation to ease burden on Rodon and preserve arms for the post season, that would fit well with Ohtani.

I agree that Gio would be good trade bait and should get a nice return. But I still think RF comes from within. Vaughan, Cepedes…

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

Ohtani has year left and is rumored that he is ready to leave. Gio has two years left and is much cheaper. Both are top of the rotation guys. Ohtani can hit otherwise Gio more valuable than Ohtani. But Sox can wait a year and pursue in free agency if that’s their interest and Angels overvalue him.

No way the Angels trade Show Time. None! The franchise would get crucified. Better to say you tried like Hell to sign him and lose him than to concede you can’t get better around him. Ohtani can hit? Talk about an understatement. 46 Bombs, 100 Ribbies. Oh and he can toss 25 bags in there for good measure. He is the biggest attendance draw in MLB. The Japanese Babe Ruth. I like Gio as you know from my Darvish debates with Corb, but you would need 3 Gio’s to even start the conversation for Ohtani. Mercedes isn’t more than a toss in at his age.

The WS have saved payroll during this rebuild. Now that they are good it’s time to pay the piper with market value.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

I’m going to disagree about Bauer. I bet he pitches. (And to the question, he has opt out clause after this season.)

No idea why Ohtani wouldn’t keep pitching. And if the Sox wanted to run a six man rotation to ease burden on Rodon and preserve arms for the post season, that would fit well with Ohtani.

I agree that Gio would be good trade bait and should get a nice return. But I still think RF comes from within. Vaughan, Cepedes…

Also, no Bauer. The guy was a tool before all of his legal problems. A 6 man rotation sucks. Could you imagine how happy guys like Lynn, Cease and any starter that is relatively healthy would be with that?

 

[corbi296]

No way the Angels trade Show Time. None! The franchise would get crucified. Better to say you tried like Hell to sign him and lose him than to concede you can’t get better around him. Ohtani can hit? Talk about an understatement. 46 Bombs, 100 Ribbies. Oh and he can toss 25 bags in there for good measure. He is the biggest attendance draw in MLB. The Japanese Babe Ruth. I like Gio as you know from my Darvish debates with Corb, but you would need 3 Gio’s to even start the conversation for Ohtani. Mercedes isn’t more than a toss in at his age.

The WS have saved payroll during this rebuild. Now that they are good it’s time to pay the piper with market value.

Wait is this serious? Ignore actually said the Sox could trade Gio and Mercedes and get Ohtani in return? LOL, lord have mercy. I knew he was clueless and has said some of the most outlandish things but this one takes the cake. Ignore is an apt handle for him and now I see it applies to baseball in addition to everything else.

 

[IGNORE2]

No way the Angels trade Show Time. None! The franchise would get crucified. Better to say you tried like Hell to sign him and lose him than to concede you can’t get better around him. Ohtani can hit? Talk about an understatement. 46 Bombs, 100 Ribbies. Oh and he can toss 25 bags in there for good measure. He is the biggest attendance draw in MLB. The Japanese Babe Ruth. I like Gio as you know from my Darvish debates with Corb, but you would need 3 Gio’s to even start the conversation for Ohtani. Mercedes isn’t more than a toss in at his age.

The WS have saved payroll during this rebuild. Now that they are good it’s time to pay the piper with market value.

For Ohtani, I rather they wait and make their run in free agency. Sell gio elsewhere. We have two more years with him.

 

[IGNORE2]

Also, no Bauer. The guy was a tool before all of his legal problems. A 6 man rotation sucks. Could you imagine how happy guys like Lynn, Cease and any starter that is relatively healthy would be with that?

Lynn and his old and painful knee? I bet he would be ok. Cease has established he has a right to make expectations and if he won’t extend, who cares, he will be traded before resigned.

But I don’t expect them to go 6. But Lynn might be healthier, they all would be fresher for the real season, the post season, if they had.

On a plane and can’t check, but wonder how many starts were made be guys outside the five of Lynn, gio, rodon, Dallas and cease? I bet it gets close to expected starts in a six man rotation… maybe just a couple of turns away?

 

[IGNORE2]

Wait is this serious? Ignore actually said the Sox could trade Gio and Mercedes and get Ohtani in return? LOL, lord have mercy. I knew he was clueless and has said some of the most outlandish things but this one takes the cake. Ignore is an apt handle for him and now I see it applies to baseball in addition to everything else.

Irony

McCall
What was that cub bet w csf again?
How good did he think the Cubs would be?
At least we know the Sox suck per wise ole angry corbi

 

[IGNORE2]

don’t buy high on Cubs pitching.

Oh corbi… them post season cub…former players looking good out of blue

 

[chicagocatfan24]

Teams won’t go to 6 mans because the MLBPA would frown on it. They’d be making less starts. Less starts = less pay. Players Union wouldn’t let that happen on a consistent level.

 

[IGNORE2]

Rough start but awesome city, stadium and experience. Westin, Vics Steakhouse, everything has been fantastic. Houston is becoming a favorite city. Do they host a bowl?

 

[NU Houston]

Rough start but awesome city, stadium and experience. Westin, Vics Steakhouse, everything has been fantastic. Houston is becoming a favorite city. Do they host a bowl?

Yes, there's a bowl game here every year (though its name changes frequently). NU played in it ten years ago (and lost to A&M), but the B1G doesn't currently have a tie-in with the game.

NU is also scheduled to play at Rice in 8-9 years, but my guess is that it will be canceled due to the B1G's new affiliation with the ACC and PAC-whatever.

Glad you're enjoying your time here. Downtown has become much more vibrant in recent years. When that stadium opened 20 years ago, the area around it was dead.

 

[NU Houston]

Just catching up on this stupid thread.

In October, I want YuliGuli on my team.

Yuli went 0 for 4 in game 1, with 3 K's, but the other guys raked. Strong fastball hitting team against a pitcher who throws mostly fastballs went as expected (except for Yuli). He'll be back.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

Right on queue the 2 things I said would kill this team did. The Bullpen, especially Kimbrel who the Sox somehow gave 2 good prospects for and the Manager. Can someone tell Tony not to weaken the Defense in a tie game for a lead off pinch hitter that hasn’t hit since you got him? Meanwhile Kopech isn’t used and Hendriks comes in trailing 5.

 

[NU Houston]

Right on queue the 2 things I said would kill this team did. The Bullpen, especially Kimbrel who the Sox somehow gave 2 good prospects for and the Manager. Can someone tell Tony not to weaken the Defense in a tie game for a lead off pinch hitter that hasn’t hit since you got him? Meanwhile Kopech isn’t used and Hendriks comes in trailing 5.

Kimbrel....not good. But then the Astros use their closer in the 8th when up by 5, only to see the reliever in the 9th struggle.

 

[corbi296]

Right on queue the 2 things I said would kill this team did. The Bullpen, especially Kimbrel who the Sox somehow gave 2 good prospects for and the Manager. Can someone tell Tony not to weaken the Defense in a tie game for a lead off pinch hitter that hasn’t hit since you got him? Meanwhile Kopech isn’t used and Hendriks comes in trailing 5.

No playoff caliber starting pitching. The Sox Don’t have a playoff Ace or #2 that can shut the other team down. That’s the biggest problem with this team.

 

[TheC]

I don't know anything about the White Sox, but I can just say that after blowing a lead by giving up 7 straight runs, it seems perfectly fitting that the losing pitcher for the Sox was named Bummer.

 

[IGNORE2]

The Sox got killed in these games by avoiding the strike zone. It is so frustrating to watch all these walks.

I think Sox need two more quality arms - one in the BP and one on the mound.

And Lynn’s breakdown and Rodon’s fade further support the notion of a six man rotation. Lynn is going worn down.

I guess Garcia has been exposed for the utility player he is. Botched a double play and then a liner to left. Until Vaughn and or Sheets can prove they are truly ready, I guess I join the add a RF group.

So, that’s a RF, SP, RP and 2B on the shopping list. Not sure if I pick up the Kimbrel option or Hernandez. Probably bring Tepera back though.

Lots of money available to spend, even after a Rodon QO.

 

[IGNORE2]

@chicagocatfan24 question - crochet top end is down 5mph and he is getting crushed. What gives with the big velocity dip? Hidden injury?

Not looking ready for a rotation look based on this years production.

 

[IGNORE2]

Sox had 17 non-rotation starts. Arguably, Dallas, Lynn and Rodon all broke down. Considering Kopech next year will have limited prior IPs - that’s four guys that would benefit from capping regular season starts to about 25.

Definitely need better pitching come October.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

No playoff caliber starting pitching. The Sox Don’t have a playoff Ace or #2 that can shut the other team down. That’s the biggest problem with this team.

No, I the problem is the pen and that bum Kimbrel. Giolito left with a 4-2 lead. You are wrong about this one. Tony is lost out there too.

Tampa is odds on favorite. How is there SP? Who is there Ace or #2. Who is SF’s Ace? Logan Webb. Best record in baseball.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

@chicagocatfan24 question - crochet top end is down 5mph and he is getting crushed. What gives with the big velocity dip? Hidden injury?

Not looking ready for a rotation look based on this years production.

His fastball was fine today velo wise. He could not get a deuce over the plate and if you 96-97 is straight you better locate better than he did. Tony’s insistence on going to Bummer and Kimbrel is a problem.

 

[willycat]

No, I the problem is the pen and that bum Kimbrel. Giolito left with a 4-2 lead. You are wrong about this one. Tony is lost out there too.

Tampa is odds on favorite. How is there SP? Who is there Ace or #2. Who is SF’s Ace? Logan Webb. Best record in baseball.

Wonder if they will get 20,000 on Sunday?

 

[corbi296]

No, I the problem is the pen and that bum Kimbrel. Giolito left with a 4-2 lead. You are wrong about this one. Tony is lost out there too.

Tampa is odds on favorite. How is there SP? Who is there Ace or #2. Who is SF’s Ace? Logan Webb. Best record in baseball.

that’s a secondary issue. When your ace and 2 starter can’t get past the 5th inning in games 1 and 2 of a playoff series, chances are you are not moving on to the next round. The Kimbrel thing was predictable as were LaRussa’s shortcomings. It’s not like this should be surprising to anyone who was looking at the White Sox through an objective lense.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

Wonder if they will get 20,000 on Sunday?

Don’t be a moron

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

that’s a secondary issue. When your ace and 2 starter can’t get past the 5th inning in games 1 and 2 of a playoff series, chances are you are not moving on to the next round. The Kimbrel thing was predictable as were LaRussa’s shortcomings. It’s not like this should be surprising to anyone who was looking at the White Sox through an objective lense.

It’s a bullpen game now. When Cole is pulled after 2 and Mad Max in the 4th in deciding games, nothing surprises me. Starters almost never go past 6 innings and if they get through 4 with the lead, teams rejoice.