"Super League"

[Katatonic]

I feel like the Big Ten would want FSU + Miami not FSU + Clemson.

That's why I'm skeptical about the Big Ten being involved right now. Miami > Clemson in terms of being a Big Ten school (academically/AAU, location, etc.) Miami beats Clemson in every metric the Big Ten would want.

FSU + Clemson to the SEC makes a lot more sense than to the Big Ten. So if they're working together, it's probably with an SEC invite "understood" (i.e. they've talked to UF and USCe about it.

What the B1G Presidents/Chancellors want isn't necessarily the same as what Fox wants (as we saw with Stanford/Cal).

According to viewership ratings for the period from 2016 to 2023 (minus the Covid season), ratings for Clemson games far exceeded that of Miami and was even higher than for FSU.

Granted, that period included the height of Clemson success while FSU and Miami had some down periods.

But prognosticating the short term future, FSU seems set up for the most success with Clemson maybe having a slight edge over Miami.

Don't know if Miami is one of the schools pre-approved by Fox for expansion to 20 schools, but don't think so.

Think if they were to get an invite, it would only be at a reduced rate.

As for the SEC, the thinking is that they aren't interested in either FSU or Clemson (or Miami for that matter) as they already have Florida and SCarolina well covered and are looking to expand their footprint/reach.

Don't disagree w/ the notion that Miami would be a better fit overall (aside from being a small, private school as opposed to being a land grant flagship), but there are many who think Miami ends up in the B1G (or stays in the ACC if it continues to exist in a depleted form).

Another thing that the Genetics guy stated was that (upon the demise of the ACC) the Domers would schedule 3 games each with the B1G and SEC.

The thinking being that don't want to pressure the Domers - that they will join a conference when they are ready.

Not sure if I buy that premise, but it would further add credence to the 2 conferences working in tandem more so than not.

 

[Just Gary]

What the B1G Presidents/Chancellors want isn't necessarily the same as what Fox wants (as we saw with Stanford/Cal).

According to viewership ratings for the period from 2016 to 2023 (minus the Covid season), ratings for Clemson games far exceeded that of Miami and was even higher than for FSU.

Granted, that period included the height of Clemson success while FSU and Miami had some down periods.

But prognosticating the short term future, FSU seems set up for the most success with Clemson maybe having a slight edge over Miami.

Don't know if Miami is one of the schools pre-approved by Fox for expansion to 20 schools, but don't think so.

Think if they were to get an invite, it would only be at a reduced rate.

As for the SEC, the thinking is that they aren't interested in either FSU or Clemson (or Miami for that matter) as they already have Florida and SCarolina well covered and are looking to expand their footprint/reach.

Don't disagree w/ the notion that Miami would be a better fit overall (aside from being a small, private school as opposed to being a land grant flagship), but there are many who think Miami ends up in the B1G (or stays in the ACC if it continues to exist in a depleted form).

Another thing that the Genetics guy stated was that (upon the demise of the ACC) the Domers would schedule 3 games each with the B1G and SEC.

The thinking being that don't want to pressure the Domers - that they will join a conference when they are ready.

Not sure if I buy that premise, but it would further add credence to the 2 conferences working in tandem more so than not.

Good thoughts. The only issue I have is the last line. I think the B1G and SEC need to keep as far apart as they can. If they look like competitors, there are no issues. If they look like partners, together they control too much of the viewership.

 

[Gatabowl]

Ryan Field was a dump.

If you think it was a dump before you should see it now.

 

[Katatonic]

Good thoughts. The only issue I have is the last line. I think the B1G and SEC need to keep as far apart as they can. If they look like competitors, there are no issues. If they look like partners, together they control too much of the viewership.

Think that ship has largely sailed as the B1G and SEC were willing to walk and do their own thing if they didn't get the split of the expanded PO revenue that they wanted.

It's also in their best interest to band together when it's time to negotiate the next media deals as both Fox and ESPN are getting a relative bargain, but doubt that will happen.

Speaking of Super Leagues, NU makes the cut (as do 7 other "original" B1G schools and 3 of the newest members) based on their criteria.

Nebby fans can suk it as they don't make the cut (neither do the pumpkingheads).

Building a College Football Super League model, with these 40 schools making cut | Sporting News

The forces behind a Super League will be TV contracts and total revenue. But our formula includes on-field and classroom performance as well.

www.sportingnews.com

All of the expanded SEC schools make the cut with the exception of Vandy.

This probably bolsters the notion that the SEC isn't necessarily seeking football powers for their next stage of expansion (altho UVA does make the cut).

 

[Just Gary]

Think that ship has largely sailed as the B1G and SEC were willing to walk and do their own thing if they didn't get the split of the expanded PO revenue that they wanted.

It's also in their best interest to band together when it's time to negotiate the next media deals as both Fox and ESPN are getting a relative bargain, but doubt that will happen.

Speaking of Super Leagues, NU makes the cut (as do 7 other "original" B1G schools and 3 of the newest members) based on their criteria.

Nebby fans can suk it as they don't make the cut (neither do the pumpkingheads).

Building a College Football Super League model, with these 40 schools making cut | Sporting News

The forces behind a Super League will be TV contracts and total revenue. But our formula includes on-field and classroom performance as well.

www.sportingnews.com

All of the expanded SEC schools make the cut with the exception of Vandy.

This probably bolsters the notion that the SEC isn't necessarily seeking football powers for their next stage of expansion (altho UVA does make the cut).

Super League may come one day but it will not until after the current contracts are complete (and maybe after the next set) and only if the teams in them are guaranteed more money then they get now. The problem right now is there really is no reason for teams to kick other teams out. Kicking out Vandy will not make all the other teams in the SEC rich. Unless the model can guarantee B1G and SEC schools over $100 million, why would schools risk the golden egg? How safe is Illinois, Indiana, Rutgers, Minnesota, and Purdue if they vote out Northwestern? If a SL happens, it would be the elite teams leaving because the money is not good enough. That is how the PAC 12 imploded. So, until Ohio State and Michigan say they are ready to leave, the status quo will remain.

Besides, it already is a Super League situation with the P4 (soon to be P3). The proposed NCAA v House settlement drives a deeper wedge between the P2 and the other conferences. The G5 teams will lose their best players. The P2 teams will get stronger.

Also, if the B1G and SEC collude on the next media rights deal, they would be in courts for monopolistic practices since they, together, would control tv viewership. Currently colleges aren’t doing so well in court cases. Having two separate rival conferences prevents the monopoly and the Big 12 insures the status quo but only if they do not talk amongst themselves about media deals. That is why all Super League talks come from 3rd parties and the B1G and SEC commishes won’t even talk to those guys.

 

[CMcCat]

Think that ship has largely sailed as the B1G and SEC were willing to walk and do their own thing if they didn't get the split of the expanded PO revenue that they wanted.

It's also in their best interest to band together when it's time to negotiate the next media deals as both Fox and ESPN are getting a relative bargain, but doubt that will happen.

Speaking of Super Leagues, NU makes the cut (as do 7 other "original" B1G schools and 3 of the newest members) based on their criteria.

Nebby fans can suk it as they don't make the cut (neither do the pumpkingheads).

Building a College Football Super League model, with these 40 schools making cut | Sporting News

The forces behind a Super League will be TV contracts and total revenue. But our formula includes on-field and classroom performance as well.

www.sportingnews.com

All of the expanded SEC schools make the cut with the exception of Vandy.

This probably bolsters the notion that the SEC isn't necessarily seeking football powers for their next stage of expansion (altho UVA does make the cut).

NU is in and UCLA is out? Hmm.

In the long run, APR is not going to carry so much weight.

 

[CMcCat]

Also, if the B1G and SEC collude on the next media rights deal, they would be in courts for monopolistic practices since they, together, would control tv viewership.

Hmm. Too bad there is not another entity that those football factories could partner with who might have an anti-trust exemption for their broadcast rights. Gosh, is there an organization like that out there somewhere?

 

[CoralSpringsCat]

Hmm. Too bad there is not another entity that those football factories could partner with who might have an anti-trust exemption for their broadcast rights. Gosh, is there an organization like that out there somewhere?

Ticketmaster?

 

[clarificationcat]

If there is a seismic shift in how college football operates in the next X years, we are doomed...for exactly the reason the Dark Ages lasted as long as they did, and why UChicago is no longer competing in Big Ten Athletics: the administration.

If this happened when Morty and Phillips were here, we'd be fine.

We have Gragg and Schill.

Maybe Morty in his prime. Certainly not lame-duck Morty. Remember, he’s the reason Gragg is here. He made a several awful decisions in those last few years.

 

[CMcCat]

Ticketmaster?

N…F….

 

[250vertical]

What the B1G Presidents/Chancellors want isn't necessarily the same as what Fox wants (as we saw with Stanford/Cal).

According to viewership ratings for the period from 2016 to 2023 (minus the Covid season), ratings for Clemson games far exceeded that of Miami and was even higher than for FSU.

Granted, that period included the height of Clemson success while FSU and Miami had some down periods.

But prognosticating the short term future, FSU seems set up for the most success with Clemson maybe having a slight edge over Miami.

Don't know if Miami is one of the schools pre-approved by Fox for expansion to 20 schools, but don't think so.

Think if they were to get an invite, it would only be at a reduced rate.

As for the SEC, the thinking is that they aren't interested in either FSU or Clemson (or Miami for that matter) as they already have Florida and SCarolina well covered and are looking to expand their footprint/reach.

Don't disagree w/ the notion that Miami would be a better fit overall (aside from being a small, private school as opposed to being a land grant flagship), but there are many who think Miami ends up in the B1G (or stays in the ACC if it continues to exist in a depleted form).

Another thing that the Genetics guy stated was that (upon the demise of the ACC) the Domers would schedule 3 games each with the B1G and SEC.

The thinking being that don't want to pressure the Domers - that they will join a conference when they are ready.

Not sure if I buy that premise, but it would further add credence to the 2 conferences working in tandem more so than not.

My opinion - which is usually wrong - Miami' is in a tricky spot, and its stock seems to be stagnant, or losing value. It has the 'big money donors' that will buy the players, but the school has a weak fan base - out of state, little passion for college sports. If it's a big game and Miami is good, they will show up for the game/party, but that's it. Virginia and UNC are the last two stars/states on the Confederate flag, that are not in the SEC, and I think the SEC will focus on them to fill out their Eastern seaboard foot print. The SEC simply does not need FSU or Clemson. What will be interesting is to see is if the BIG 10 is able to reel those two schools (UVA-UNC) in, or if they would settle for FSU and Clemson. If ND is able to find a cozy little spot in between the P2 and remain in the big picture, they will remain independent.
College FB will no longer be college FB when the players are no longer required to be students, and are contracted employees of the universities - or of independent entities separate from the universities, and that is, in all probability, coming. The money (and it's all about the money) will, in the end, F this up for the fans - bad.

 

[Katatonic]

Super League may come one day but it will not until after the current contracts are complete (and maybe after the next set) and only if the teams in them are guaranteed more money then they get now. The problem right now is there really is no reason for teams to kick other teams out. Kicking out Vandy will not make all the other teams in the SEC rich. Unless the model can guarantee B1G and SEC schools over $100 million, why would schools risk the golden egg? How safe is Illinois, Indiana, Rutgers, Minnesota, and Purdue if they vote out Northwestern? If a SL happens, it would be the elite teams leaving because the money is not good enough. That is how the PAC 12 imploded. So, until Ohio State and Michigan say they are ready to leave, the status quo will remain.


Also, if the B1G and SEC collude on the next media rights deal, they would be in courts for monopolistic practices since they, together, would control tv viewership. Currently colleges aren’t doing so well in court cases. Having two separate rival conferences prevents the monopoly and the Big 12 insures the status quo but only if they do not talk amongst themselves about media deals. That is why all Super League talks come from 3rd parties and the B1G and SEC commishes won’t even talk to those guys.

As I've stated before, a "Super League" in a form proposed by that "think tank" associated with a college athletics search firm is DOA as there is no reason for either the B1G or SEC to give up/share power, much less revenue.

If we are to get anything close to it, would happen more "organically" with the 2 conferences adding the last of the valuable programs that aren't already in the fold, being more of a default SL than anything formal (don't think there is any real concern about kicking out any members; only brought up the Nebby thing due to the nonsense their AD was spouting)

Unless pressed by the other conferences, don't see the "Big 2" shutting the door on fuller participation in the POs for a no of reasons.

Don't think the issue is over the B1G and SEC "colluding" - after all, the networks, streaming services, etc are free to pursue deals with any and all the conferences and independents (plus, as previously stated, the 2 were willing to break off from the rest if they didn't get the split of the expanded PO revenue that they wanted).

The problem with CFB media deals is that they are seriously undervalued compared to what the NFL is getting, and a big part of that is due to each conference negotiating their own deals.

Another part of the problem is how closely the B1G is tied to Fox and the SEC to ESPN, where both media providers basically get a "hometown" discount.

It would behoove the B1G and SEC to jointly negotiate their next media rights deal so that Fox, ESPN/ABC and others pay closer to real MV, but that's easier said than done (nothing preventing the B12 and ACC from joining forces and doing the same).

Especially in light that Disney, Fox and Warner Bros are cooperating on a new streaming service for sports.

 

[Katatonic]

My opinion - which is usually wrong - Miami' is in a tricky spot, and its stock seems to be stagnant, or losing value. It has the 'big money donors' that will buy the players, but the school has a weak fan base - out of state, little passion for college sports. If it's a big game and Miami is good, they will show up for the game/party, but that's it. Virginia and UNC are the last two stars/states on the Confederate flag, that are not in the SEC, and I think the SEC will focus on them to fill out their Eastern seaboard foot print. The SEC simply does not need FSU or Clemson. What will be interesting is to see is if the BIG 10 is able to reel those two schools (UVA-UNC) in, or if they would settle for FSU and Clemson. If ND is able to find a cozy little spot in between the P2 and remain in the big picture, they will remain independent.

Does seem to be the way things are playing out, altho would say that Fox has FSU and Clemson at the top of its wishlist whereas the B1G Presidents and Chancellors have UNC and UVA.

The SEC has enough strong CFB programs where they can prioritize expanding their footprint over gridiron success.

It would be interesting to see what happens to this new era of cooperation btwn the 2 leagues if the B1G manages to snag UNC, FSU and UVA (with this, the Domers will likely join sometime down the road).

 

[docrugby1]

The Super League proposal has gotten way more attention here and by college football podcasts than it deserves.

The reason the details got leaked when it did (after the conferences went ahead with the new payout split for the playoffs) was b/c it was a failed proposal.

Neither the B1G or SEC had any interest in it (why would they?) and those behind the SL couldn't even get a meeting with Yormark.

Phillips (due to the more precarious position of the ACC) did meet with them, but it was only a one time prelim meeting.

Giving the football factories an even bigger financial advantage than they already have is the wrong way to go.

The NFL is the most successful professional league in the US due to having the closest thing to financial parity, which gives hope to every fanbase.

Sure, programs like dOSU, UM and PSU will continue to hold an economic edge over most other programs, but sharing the TV revenue equally gives the other programs hope (where Purdue has been able to pull off an upset over dOSU a couple of times).

As I have stated before, the one concession the smaller programs should probably give is to reward the schools in the PO, a bonus for each round before the rest the payout is distributed equitably among the conference members (just a teams which make the playoffs in the professional leagues make more $ than teams which don't make it).

It seems pretty inevitable that the Big 2 will end up with the premier programs in the ACC (and possibly the Domers), so why would they even think of not only unwinding the aggregation of power/revenue they have accomplished the past few seasons, but breaking apart the B1G and SEC into unrecognizable and disparate divisions in a SL?






The new stadium plan actually reminds me a bit of Tottenham Stadium, home of the Tottenham Hotspurs in North London.

They actually get quite a bit of their revenue from concerts, etc, including an NFL game every season or so.


Speaking of European football, the Super League proposal across the pond was killed by the fans, who wanted to maintain regionality.

The thing about European football is that each major league is dominated by 1-2, maybe 3 clubs.

PSG for the (French) Ligue 1.

Bayern Munich for the (German) Bundesliga; Bayer Leverkusen (a club founded by employees of pharmacy giant Bayer) just managed to win their very first league cup this season.

Real Madrid and Barca for (Spanish) LA Liga.

Juventus, AC Milan and Inter Milan for the (Italian) Serie A.

The one exception is the "Big 6" in the (English) Premier League.-which has at least 6 clubs (more like 7-8 nowadays with more teams backed by ME oil $) - and that more even competition at the top is why the EPL is the most popular around the world.

The EPL has instituted financial regs that make it tougher for clubs backed by billionaires to just spend and spend.

More competitive football = heightened interest (boring to see PSG or Bayern win their league every year).

That's why bringing in new blood like Oregon, Wash and USC to compete against the likes of dOSU, UM and PSU will bring added interest/eyeballs to the conference, and hopefully, a program like Wisky or the Cats can make a run every now and then to make things more interesting.

One interesting tidbit, FedEx is contributing a whopping $25 million to Memphis' NIL fund.

Not out of the possibility for NU with its wealthy alumni network.

JHU has jumped up in (academic) rankings in large part helped by the the near $2 billion contribution from Bloomberg.

The Super League proposal has gotten way more attention here and by college football podcasts than it deserves.

The reason the details got leaked when it did (after the conferences went ahead with the new payout split for the playoffs) was b/c it was a failed proposal.

Neither the B1G or SEC had any interest in it (why would they?) and those behind the SL couldn't even get a meeting with Yormark.

Phillips (due to the more precarious position of the ACC) did meet with them, but it was only a one time prelim meeting.

Giving the football factories an even bigger financial advantage than they already have is the wrong way to go.

The NFL is the most successful professional league in the US due to having the closest thing to financial parity, which gives hope to every fanbase.

Sure, programs like dOSU, UM and PSU will continue to hold an economic edge over most other programs, but sharing the TV revenue equally gives the other programs hope (where Purdue has been able to pull off an upset over dOSU a couple of times).

As I have stated before, the one concession the smaller programs should probably give is to reward the schools in the PO, a bonus for each round before the rest the payout is distributed equitably among the conference members (just a teams which make the playoffs in the professional leagues make more $ than teams which don't make it).

It seems pretty inevitable that the Big 2 will end up with the premier programs in the ACC (and possibly the Domers), so why would they even think of not only unwinding the aggregation of power/revenue they have accomplished the past few seasons, but breaking apart the B1G and SEC into unrecognizable and disparate divisions in a SL?






The new stadium plan actually reminds me a bit of Tottenham Stadium, home of the Tottenham Hotspurs in North London.

They actually get quite a bit of their revenue from concerts, etc, including an NFL game every season or so.


Speaking of European football, the Super League proposal across the pond was killed by the fans, who wanted to maintain regionality.

The thing about European football is that each major league is dominated by 1-2, maybe 3 clubs.

PSG for the (French) Ligue 1.

Bayern Munich for the (German) Bundesliga; Bayer Leverkusen (a club founded by employees of pharmacy giant Bayer) just managed to win their very first league cup this season.

Real Madrid and Barca for (Spanish) LA Liga.

Juventus, AC Milan and Inter Milan for the (Italian) Serie A.

The one exception is the "Big 6" in the (English) Premier League.-which has at least 6 clubs (more like 7-8 nowadays with more teams backed by ME oil $) - and that more even competition at the top is why the EPL is the most popular around the world.

The EPL has instituted financial regs that make it tougher for clubs backed by billionaires to just spend and spend.

More competitive football = heightened interest (boring to see PSG or Bayern win their league every year).

That's why bringing in new blood like Oregon, Wash and USC to compete against the likes of dOSU, UM and PSU will bring added interest/eyeballs to the conference, and hopefully, a program like Wisky or the Cats can make a run every now and then to make things more interesting.

One interesting tidbit, FedEx is contributing a whopping $25 million to Memphis' NIL fund.

Not out of the possibility for NU with its wealthy alumni network.

JHU has jumped up in (academic) rankings in large part helped by the the near $2 billion contribution from Bloomberg.

European Football has the EUFA Champions Cup that could be considered a"SuperLeague"

 

[CMcCat]

The view on this topic from out West:

“Chuck Neinas was hailed four decades ago for letting the beast out of the box. How was he to know darn thing would eventually start eating its own?”

“At home, I’d been a hero because I was responsible for the Supreme Court (case) with the College Football Association,” the former Big Eight and Big 12 commissioner, now retired in Boulder County, told The Denver Post recently. “Now my son says, ‘Dad, you’re responsible for all that TV money.’ That I’m responsible for the whole damn thing!”

“Everything I grew up with is gone,” Neinas sighed. “I had more than 50 years in college athletics and everything I grew up with is gone. No. 1, no one talks about education anymore. And No. 2, the idea of a level playing field is out the window. And recruiting is an absolute mess, because they’re openly bidding for talent.“

Can CU Buffs, CSU Rams afford to pay athletes in the House NCAA settlement? “It’s a jumbled mess”

Given the diversity of college athletic departments both inside and outside Division I in Colorado, how will the House vs. NCAA settlement be felt at CU? Or CSU? Or at Air Force, UNC, DU and Mines?

www.denverpost.com

 

[NUCat320]

European Football has the EUFA Champions Cup that could be considered a"SuperLeague"

Very different structure. European football is weird, and Champions League is played concurrently with the competitors’ domestic leagues. (Generally, European football happens midweek, while domestics play on the weekend.)

Because American football player are weaklings (joking) and because college football coaches are routine-obsessed tyrants (not joking), such a league couldn’t work in college football.

 

[Eurocat]

But I've always said...if in 20 years Northwestern doesn't make the semi-pro cut and we have an annual regional schedule against Iowa, Illinois, NIU, and a few others, and an end-of-season exhibition/celebration/destination/"bowl" game in a destination city coordinated between us and an amicable opponent...that's fine by me.

Opinions differ and I don't want to come across as being insulting, but that is NOT fine by me. I want us to compete for the National Championship every year. Please don't say a private school can't do it. Notre Dame, Miami (the Florida one), Stanford when Harbaugh was there, Vanderbilt (not in football but in basketball and if they found their own Gary Barnett, in fball, watch out) and frankly Northwestern (if we now have some kind of big ass play off thing going on, why couldn't or wouldn't we be a top 16 team, we might very well have made the playoffs last year, thank you players and thank you coach Braun!). We definitely would have been in the mix for a spot. Shoot, USC is a private school.

If I were appointed President of Northwestern, I would put two goals on my blackboard. To beat Harvard and Yale and Princeton the the academic rankings, and to beat Alabama in football and Duke (or I guess now UConn) in basketball.

Gary Barnett - Expect Victory.

It's like the 1970s have left some kind of permanent mental trauma on so many Northwestern fans. Why can't we under coach Braun be like Stanford was under coach Harbough? Typical Northwestern woe is me pessimism? Oh we can never do that, well why the f*ck not?

Four years ago on the other (basketball board) people were all negative. Kind of a change of pace now, eh?

Go coach Braun, make the 16 team playoffs and lets kicks some tush. Lets win a National Championship.

And build a stadium that seats more than a MAC stadium so "Chicago's Big Ten team" can get working class people in without ridiculous ticket prices because it only seats a soccer stadium size crowd...........oops, too late!

 

[Eurocat]

Ryan Field was a dump.

You seem to think College Stadiums are like these beautiful arena's that NFL teams have. In fact most are used only seven times a year, six football games and one graduation ceremony, They tend to be all that "kept up" even by the footall powers.

You want to see a dump? Go to Baron Rouge and visit the LSU stadium.

 

[Gatabowl]

Opinions differ and I don't want to come across as being insulting, but that is NOT fine by me. I want us to compete for the National Championship every year. Please don't say a private school can't do it. Notre Dame, Miami (the Florida one), Stanford when Harbaugh was there, Vanderbilt (not in football but in basketball and if they found their own Gary Barnett, in fball, watch out) and frankly Northwestern (if we now have some kind of big ass play off thing going on, why couldn't or wouldn't we be a top 16 team, we might very well have made the playoffs last year, thank you players and thank you coach Braun!). We definitely would have been in the mix for a spot. Shoot, USC is a private school.

If I were appointed President of Northwestern, I would put two goals on my blackboard. To beat Harvard and Yale and Princeton the the academic rankings, and to beat Alabama in football and Duke (or I guess now UConn) in basketball.

Gary Barnett - Expect Victory.

It's like the 1970s have left some kind of permanent mental trauma on so many Northwestern fans. Why can't we under coach Braun be like Stanford was under coach Harbough? Typical Northwestern woe is me pessimism? Oh we can never do that, well why the f*ck not?

Four years ago on the other (basketball board) people were all negative. Kind of a change of pace now, eh?

Go coach Braun, make the 16 team playoffs and lets kicks some tush. Lets win a National Championship.

And build a stadium that seats more than a MAC stadium so "Chicago's Big Ten team" can get working class people in without ridiculous ticket prices because it only seats a soccer stadium size crowd...........oops, too late!

You’re not insulting me. I’m not the one who posted that. Sheffielder did.

 

[Eurocat]

You’re not insulting me. I’m not the one who posted that. Sheffielder did.

I was responding in a general sense, not you specifically. Apologies if it came off that way. Sorry.

That said, come on Cats lets be like USC or Norte Dame!

EXPECT VICTORY!

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

You seem to think College Stadiums are like these beautiful arena's that NFL teams have. In fact most are used only seven times a year, six football games and one graduation ceremony, They tend to be all that "kept up" even by the footall powers.

You want to see a dump? Go to Baron Rouge and visit the LSU stadium.

Never been to LSU, but have probably been to 25-30 other D1 Football stadiums. Ryan Field was dumpier than ever single one of them.

 

[CMcCat]

Never been to LSU, but have probably been to 25-30 other D1 Football stadiums. Ryan Field was dumpier than ever single one of them.

$400 million would have made it a beaut!

 

[clarificationcat]

Opinions differ and I don't want to come across as being insulting, but that is NOT fine by me. I want us to compete for the National Championship every year. Please don't say a private school can't do it. Notre Dame, Miami (the Florida one), Stanford when Harbaugh was there, Vanderbilt (not in football but in basketball and if they found their own Gary Barnett, in fball, watch out) and frankly Northwestern (if we now have some kind of big ass play off thing going on, why couldn't or wouldn't we be a top 16 team, we might very well have made the playoffs last year, thank you players and thank you coach Braun!). We definitely would have been in the mix for a spot. Shoot, USC is a private school.

If I were appointed President of Northwestern, I would put two goals on my blackboard. To beat Harvard and Yale and Princeton the the academic rankings, and to beat Alabama in football and Duke (or I guess now UConn) in basketball.

Gary Barnett - Expect Victory.

It's like the 1970s have left some kind of permanent mental trauma on so many Northwestern fans. Why can't we under coach Braun be like Stanford was under coach Harbough? Typical Northwestern woe is me pessimism? Oh we can never do that, well why the f*ck not?

Four years ago on the other (basketball board) people were all negative. Kind of a change of pace now, eh?

Go coach Braun, make the 16 team playoffs and lets kicks some tush. Lets win a National Championship.

And build a stadium that seats more than a MAC stadium so "Chicago's Big Ten team" can get working class people in without ridiculous ticket prices because it only seats a soccer stadium size crowd...........oops, too late!

Working class folks have had almost 30 years to buy tickets for next to nothing. Sometimes even for free. They didn’t want them. Other than about 15,000 hardcore fans and opposing fans, nobody wanted them. Our players, our staff and our true fans deserve a home field advantage like in basketball. I can’t wait to see a sea of purple in the new stadium.

 

[curdog]

My opinion - which is usually wrong - Miami' is in a tricky spot, and its stock seems to be stagnant, or losing value. It has the 'big money donors' that will buy the players, but the school has a weak fan base - out of state, little passion for college sports. If it's a big game and Miami is good, they will show up for the game/party, but that's it. Virginia and UNC are the last two stars/states on the Confederate flag, that are not in the SEC, and I think the SEC will focus on them to fill out their Eastern seaboard foot print. The SEC simply does not need FSU or Clemson. What will be interesting is to see is if the BIG 10 is able to reel those two schools (UVA-UNC) in, or if they would settle for FSU and Clemson. If ND is able to find a cozy little spot in between the P2 and remain in the big picture, they will remain independent.
College FB will no longer be college FB when the players are no longer required to be students, and are contracted employees of the universities - or of independent entities separate from the universities, and that is, in all probability, coming. The money (and it's all about the money) will, in the end, F this up for the fans - bad.

Not to be an academic snob, but I guess I must. If the presidents of UNC and UVA have invites to join the Big and the sec, they are choosing the Big 100 times out of 100. Adding USC and UCLA just juiced that even more.

University presidents are academics who value education (UVA pres went to Yale, UNC to Harvard).

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

Working class folks have had almost 30 years to buy tickets for next to nothing. Sometimes even for free. They didn’t want them. Other than about 15,000 hardcore fans and opposing fans, nobody wanted them. Our players, our staff and our true fans deserve a home field advantage like in basketball. I can’t wait to see a sea of purple in the new stadium.

Agree it was smart to build at this capacity.

As far as the working class buying tickets, they need a connection to the University. I lived in Chicagoland my whole life, I don’t see much of an effort to connect to the working class. The media coverage has been very unfavorable to NU on multiple topics. Not just the scandal. They haven’t done themselves any favors with this working class with their handling of protests either. Let’s be real, the student background is not similar to typical working class local. The school goes out of its way to limit locals from attending with their “ selective school” policy. This can turn people off and there is an aura of arrogance to these working class folks. Why do state schools have such a following of people just because they live in that State? Pretty much everyone in the state has a relative or acquaintance that went to that school. Hence the connection. NU is not a Chicagoland school. It is a National or international school. Most students don’t settle in Naperville. It’s not the locals fault they don’t clamor for tickets. The stadium size was a brilliant decision in a period where there haven’t been a plethora of them from this administration.

 

[Katatonic]

European Football has the EUFA Champions Cup that could be considered a"SuperLeague"

The Champions League is more akin to the CFB playoffs - where the best teams from the various leagues/conferences compete for an overall championship (altho in the case of European football, it happens in concurrence with the domestic league seasons with the participants decided upon from the season prior).

There actually was a proposal for a European Super League comprising of the top 6 clubs from the EPL, the top clubs from the Spanish, Italian, German leagues as well as PSG.

They would comprise 15 of the permanent founding members with another 5 slots open to other clubs.

But PSG and the German clubs declined to come aboard and that was followed by the EPL clubs reversing course after an outcry by the fans, players and coaches.

 

[Katatonic]

To attract working class fans, one has to win big and win consistently.

But that, in itself, probably isn't enough for elite private universities .

Stanford was winning the PAC12 and beating US under Harbaugh and the first half of Shaw's tenure and they still couldn't come close to filling their stadium - nevermind with working class folk but even with college grads of other universities (who didn't attend a school with a major football program).

Doubt (most) working class people were even aware of the protests on campus, much less how they were handled.

The Domers are probably the one exception due to the whole religious affiliation thing.

 

[FeralFelidae]

The Dome are probably the one exception due to the whole religious affiliation thing.

U$C and BYU.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

To attract working class fans, one has to win big and win consistently.

But that, in itself, probably isn't enough for elite private universities .

Stanford was winning the PAC12 and beating US under Harbaugh and the first half of Shaw's tenure and they still couldn't come close to filling their stadium - nevermind with working class folk but even with college grads of other universities (who didn't attend a school with a major football program).

Doubt (most) working class people were even aware of the protests on campus, much less how they were handled.

The Dome are probably the one exception due to the whole religious affiliation thing.

You don’t live in Chicago do you? ABC local news has had multiple stories about the protests and the congressional hearings. Needless to say they didn’t put NU in a favorable light.

 

[NJCat]

The Champions League is more akin to the CFB playoffs - where the best teams from the various leagues/conferences compete for an overall championship (altho in the case of European football, it happens in concurrence with the domestic league seasons with the participants decided upon from the season prior).

Actually, the Champions League is more like the FCS playoff than the FBS playoffs. The Champions League includes every European league in the playoff format, in which the lower leagues (like the SWAC or Ivy) getting just the league winner into the competition while the top leagues (SEC, BIG, ACC,....) like the EPL, La Liga or Bundesliga get 4 teams. More schools praticipate in the FCS so that is more like the Champions League. There is no comparison between Champions League and the FBS CPB playoff, which only allows a token non-Power 4 school to participate.

 

[CMcCat]

Working class folks have had almost 30 years to buy tickets for next to nothing. Sometimes even for free. They didn’t want them. Other than about 15,000 hardcore fans and opposing fans, nobody wanted them. Our players, our staff and our true fans deserve a home field advantage like in basketball. I can’t wait to see a sea of purple in the new stadium.

I don’t understand this vision of a sea of purple in the new 35,000 seat stadium. First, that’s a small sea — more a lake like the Salton Sea — even if it fills. Second, who is going to buy these tickets? We have about 2500 current season ticket holders by my estimate. A large chunk of those will be priced out of the new stadium (and NONE of these are working class). New buyers will be in luxury boxes for the concert ticket packages. How does demand increase when prices rise?

There will be no more a home field advantage in a smaller, pricey stadium than in a larger, affordable stadium.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

I don’t understand this vision of a sea of purple in the new 35,000 seat stadium. First, that’s a small sea — more a lake like the Salton Sea — even if it fills. Second, who is going to buy these tickets? We have about 2500 current season ticket holders by my estimate. A large chunk of those will be priced out of the new stadium (and NONE of these are working class). New buyers will be in luxury boxes for the concert ticket packages. How does demand increase when prices rise?

There will be no more a home field advantage in a smaller, pricey stadium than in a larger, affordable stadium.

Heard this same argument for Basketball. How has that worked out? Do we have less STH in the new WR than the old WR?

2500 STH’s? This is way low. So this big ticket prices will be paid by opposing fans, but not the existing NU loyal fans? I call BS.

 

[250vertical]

In Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and states where professional teams have relatively recently - like Tennessee - have what they call the t-shirt alumni. In Illinois, the guy that changes your oil will have a Bears hat on, or another pro team hat on. In Alabama, he has a Roll Tide or an Auburn Tigers hat on. Fills stadiums.

 

[CMcCat]

Heard this same argument for Basketball. How has that worked out? Do we have less STH in the new WR than the old WR?

2500 STH’s? This is way low. So this big ticket prices will be paid by opposing fans, but not the existing NU loyal fans? I call BS.

What percent of WR is students? What percent of RF will be students. Consider.

My rep told me there were 1100 ticket holders in Tier 6 and 300 in Tier 4 where I am. He said there was a rapid decrease in numbers as you go to the top three tiers. Do the math.

Say I am off by 20% and there l are 3000 season ticket accounts. The significant price increases - we are talking 2x or 3x with donation requirements - will knock out several hundred ticket holders, converting them to single game purchasers to avoid the donation premiums.

In a world of single game ticket buyers, visiting fans will be a LARGE presence. They are willing to pay up for their one game. NU is pricing its own fans out of its stadium.

But the concert revenue is the real priority and football is a mere six dates a year. No big deal.

 

[clarificationcat]

What percent of WR is students? What percent of RF will be students. Consider.

My rep told me there were 1100 ticket holders in Tier 6 and 300 in Tier 4 where I am. He said there was a rapid decrease in numbers as you go to the top three tiers. Do the math.

Say I am off by 20% and there l are 3000 season ticket accounts. The significant price increases - we are talking 2x or 3x with donation requirements - will knock out several hundred ticket holders, converting them to single game purchasers to avoid the donation premiums.

In a world of single game ticket buyers, visiting fans will be a LARGE presence. They are willing to pay up for their one game. NU is pricing its own fans out of its stadium.

But the concert revenue is the real priority and football is a mere six dates a year. No big deal

We’ve had at least 15,000 to 20,000 season ticket holders in the past 10 years. We can sustain that level if we are competitive. 25,000 NU fans in a 35,000 stadium will look like a sea of purple.

 

[CMcCat]

We’ve had at least 15,000 to 20,000 season ticket holders in the past 10 years. We can sustain that level if we are competitive. 25,000 NU fans in a 35,000 stadium will look like a sea of purple.

No. You are referring to ticket sales, not ticket holders. Higher ticket prices will drive some former ticket holders away and force others to buy fewer tickets.

Take a look at the upcoming schedules and consider the new context of the NIL and compensation era. What do you mean by “competitive”? If you believe local fans will pay twice what they were charged at the old place to watch a 5-7 team in a fancy stadium, I may give you that such will last for 2 years. Then the novelty wears off and tickets become available to visitors.

If MBB had not turned around the last two years, WR would not be a home court advantage. FB is not going to resemble MBB in terms of success.

 

[Just Gary]

I think people are mixing ticket holders and ticket sales. Most ticket holders buy multiple seats, typically either 2 or 4.. For the sake of simplicity, let’s just say the average is 3 seats.

* 3000 ticket holders will be about 9000 seats.
* Students/band section about 2000 seats.
* Visiting team fans have 1500 seats.

That leaves about 2500 tickets left.
* The ticket office will go back to those people who previously held more than 4 seats.
* Then the ticket office will open up sales of season tickets to the general public
* Ohio State fans buy season tickets to get better seats at Wrigley
* Wisconsin fans will also buy any leftover season tickets to get in the stadium.
* Those 2 fan bases will turn to the secondary market to sell tickets to the non-conference games and recoup some of their money.
* The athletic department will also quietly dump any remaining tickets on the secondary market.

So, for the first three games and possibly Indiana, there will be seats available below the asking price. Although we keep talking about the average price of tickets, the asking price of the Wisconsin game ticket should be about 35% of the sth price. Indiana game probably 20%. The non-conference games will be 15% each and tickets for those non-conference games will be much lower on the secondary market.

 

[CMcCat]

I think people are mixing ticket holders and ticket sales. Most ticket holders buy multiple seats, typically either 2 or 4.. For the sake of simplicity, let’s just say the average is 3 seats.

* 3000 ticket holders will be about 9000 seats.
* Students/band section about 2000 seats.
* Visiting team fans have 1500 seats.

That leaves about 2500 tickets left.
* The ticket office will go back to those people who previously held more than 4 seats.
* Then the ticket office will open up sales of season tickets to the general public
* Ohio State fans buy season tickets to get better seats at Wrigley
* Wisconsin fans will also buy any leftover season tickets to get in the stadium.
* Those 2 fan bases will turn to the secondary market to sell tickets to the non-conference games and recoup some of their money.
* The athletic department will also quietly dump any remaining tickets on the secondary market.

So, for the first three games and possibly Indiana, there will be seats available below the asking price. Although we keep talking about the average price of tickets, the asking price of the Wisconsin game ticket should be about 35% of the sth price. Indiana game probably 20%. The non-conference games will be 15% each and tickets for those non-conference games will be much lower on the secondary market.

That’s the scenario for the temporary stadium with 15k seats.

The new stadium with 35k seats will have more on secondary market and unsold, right? Our favorite band is pricing us out.

And what about the concerts?…

“To justify going to a concert is unfortunately a pretty big decision for somebody like me,” says Josh Anderson, the Black Keys fan in Illinois. “It definitely hurts your heart a little bit when your favorite band is pricing you out, so to speak.”

The Curious Case Of The Underselling Arena Tours

It's not just the Black Keys. Why are so many big tours selling poorly?

www.stereogum.com

 

[Catreporter]

The city of Evanston will not approve of more concerts, Six was hard enough to get. Pat Ryan played football at NU! He's not building a concert arena. 35,000 has been about our high water mark for average attendance since 2000. And with every game on TV, you have to offer a unique experience which this venue will have. Fans can share season tickets. The north shore is an affluent area where fans will pay for a fun experience. Many teams that are not huge state schools or NFL franchises are downsizing their arenas and stadiums. Even baseball teams that aren't the Yankees or Dodgers have done it. That way you night create demand if the team is good.

 

[CMcCat]

The city of Evanston will not approve of more concerts, Six was hard enough to get. Pat Ryan played football at NU! He's not building a concert arena. 35,000 has been about our high water mark for average attendance since 2000. And with every game on TV, you have to offer a unique experience which this venue will have. Fans can share season tickets. The north shore is an affluent area where fans will pay for a fun experience. Many teams that are not huge state schools or NFL franchises are downsizing their arenas and stadiums. Even baseball teams that aren't the Yankees or Dodgers have done it. That way you night create demand if the team is good.

Pat’s football stadium is NU’s concert arena. They are sly ‘Cats.

Wrigleyville was once in an uproar over night games at The Friendly Confines. This summer Def Leppard is playing there.

Why would NU go to the mat for six concerts? Because once the door is cracked open you have your new revenue stream. (And we aren’t even talking about the 60 annual events under 10k attendance).