I mean, there is still time, but to be in the company of Rick Taylor is not a good thing.Rick Taylor is number 1?
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I mean, there is still time, but to be in the company of Rick Taylor is not a good thing.Rick Taylor is number 1?
Drop it. If the only times I take a two is when I can dunk the ball I am going to have a good FG%. You are not even remotely comparing apples to apples.If you go conference-only, Beran still leads the team in effective FG%, is 2nd in 2-pt FG% (behind Williams), shoots better from 3 than Buie, Audige and Berry, and comes in just behind Nance and Buie in overall offensive efficiency. So I still think there's a case to be made for him getting more involved in the offense.
She also had her priorities straight, kid graduated HS with a 1.9 GPA.God bless your Mother in Law. Ignorance is truly bliss.
Can't really speak much for the Australian reality.It more than likely is. Sports is likely not as big there, They have to get enough education there to compete outside of sports.
The most athletic talent here tends to be AA while there it is much less so. We have trouble getting in AA talent partly because they are often behind in educational performance. I would guess that is less true of the European or Australian student athletes. They generally don't have 100 schools trying to get them into their program like we see here with the best athletes
I would bet my house that Collins has implored Beran to get more involved, be more willing to shoot the ball and especially to try to get some points in the paint - put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket. Beran just doesn't do it. He has a difficult time finishing at the rim, so he shies away from it.If you go conference-only, Beran still leads the team in effective FG%, is 2nd in 2-pt FG% (behind Williams), shoots better from 3 than Buie, Audige and Berry, and comes in just behind Nance and Buie in overall offensive efficiency. So I still think there's a case to be made for him getting more involved in the offense.
...Rick was quite a good football coachto be in the company of Rick Taylor is not a good thing.
Of course, he was the reason we went to the rose bowl if you asked him. I roll my eyes every time I hear his name. I don’t like having this discussion and I want Dr Gragg to be successful....Rick was quite a good football coach
That's why US students currently rank 38th in math and 24th in Science in the world? And that is even with the influx and study ethics of Asians that have come in. Sorry but that is abysmal performance in two areas most required to be able to compete in the world. And that is with supposedly the best educational system. One way you get that is to be focused on the wrong things to teachRight…. wokeness is the problem with American education. Not the anti-intellectualism of a certain party.
He has a core group. Problem is that they have not gotten it doneThanks for this post. It’s demonstrates some reflection, and probably wasn’t fun for you to write
I think CCC’s biggest weakness as a coach is the way in which he deploys his players. It’s inconsistent and scattershot.
And that’s how we’ve had one game where Williams (more confident than he ever should be) and Greer (afraid to even have the ball) taking late threes. (I think it was Providence.)
Against Rutgers, a chance for the win, we ran a set play that resulted in Boo never touching it, in Beran passing up an open look, and in Audige chucking at the buzzer. That’s a case where you’ve literally got the last guy you want with the ball doing the last think you’d want him to do with it.
It just seems like CCC doesn’t have enough confidence to establish a core group and ride with them.
I, for one, would love a game where only six or seven guys got double figure minutes. I’d love to see Boo and Nance on the court for 34 minutes each. But it just never happens — and not because he’s pressing or attacking or tiring guys out — but just because he chooses to play worse guys more minutes.
I don’t care to look into it (maybe Cappy or PWB or Dugan could) but I’d imagine NU’s players’ mpg has the highest standard deviation in the conference.
What guys that we have brought in do you feel are or were elite?Interesting. Are you saying elite talent won’t come to NU?
But we are talking BB not soccer and that is what we are trying to recruit.Can't really speak much for the Australian reality.
But in Europe:
-Spain - Real Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia, Joventut, Manresa
- Sports are just as big, just extremely soccer focused
- Sports are not associated with academics. They are based on clubs. In basketball, some examples of the big clubs, sort of ordered by the quality of the national league:
-Greece - Olympiacos, Panatjinaikos, PAOK, AEK
-Turkey - Fenerbahce, Galatassaray, Efes
-Russia - CSKA, Lokomotiv, Zenit
-Italy - Bologna, Milano, Trieste, Treviso
-France - Cholet, Levallois, Limoges
-Germany - Bayern, Alba, Bonn, Ulm
-Israel - Maccabi, Hapoel
-Lithuania - Zalgiris
None. Elite is top 50What guys that we have brought in do you feel are or were elite?
While I agree with you that our performance in those rankings is appalling, I would argue that those are not the only important things to learn for a functioning society. I would also argue that teaching the "wrong things" is not what is holding us back in math and science.That's why US students currently rank 38th in math and 24th in Science in the world? And that is even with the influx and study ethics of Asians that have come in. Sorry but that is abysmal performance in two areas most required to be able to compete in the world. And that is with supposedly the best educational system. One way you get that is to be focused on the wrong things to teach
the main reasons are the teachers union and a broken public school funding system that drives massive inequality. Has nothing to do with wokeness - US primary schools have been bad since way before wokeness was a thing.That's why US students currently rank 38th in math and 24th in Science in the world? And that is even with the influx and study ethics of Asians that have come in. Sorry but that is abysmal performance in two areas most required to be able to compete in the world. And that is with supposedly the best educational system. One way you get that is to be focused on the wrong things to teach
There are lots of problems and the main reasons are probably different in different districts. In my wife's district, I don't think the teachers union is an issue at all. The district administration, on the other hand....the main reasons are the teachers union and a broken public school funding system that drives massive inequality. Has nothing to do with wokeness - US primary schools have been bad since way before wokeness was a thing.
Lets assume Nance, Beran, Young, Buie and Audige is the core group?He has a core group. Problem is that they have not gotten it done
No hate from me directed towards individual teachers. And it was probably overly simplistic for me to fingerpoint mainly the union. But I think the ecosystem created by the interplay between the union, administrators, and government has resulted in a broken system. Multiple chicken and egg problems in public education. Main point is that ‘wokeness’ isn’t the problem for this specific issue.There are lots of problems and the main reasons are probably different in different districts. In my wife's district, I don't think the teachers union is an issue at all. The district administration, on the other hand....
Unless you are close to a public school teacher personally, I'm not sure if you can appreciate how miserable their lives are. Teaching kids in the classroom is sadly only about half the job. There is so much administrative crap dumped on teachers these days, it drains their energy and joy for actually... you know... teaching.
Here is the article I got it fromThat's why US students currently rank 38th in math and 24th in Science in the world? And that is even with the influx and study ethics of Asians that have come in. Sorry but that is abysmal performance in two areas most required to be able to compete in the world. And that is with supposedly the best educational system. One way you get that is to be focused on the wrong things to teach
My point was that it was likely that someone from another culture would be able to succeed so it is reasonable to think that top players are more likely to be able to get into NU than much of the top talent in the USWhile I agree with you that our performance in those rankings is appalling, I would argue that those are not the only important things to learn for a functioning society. I would also argue that teaching the "wrong things" is not what is holding us back in math and science.
Being in a science field and being married to a high school teacher, I have some thoughts on things that are wrong with our education system, but that is a long post and not for this thread. Here, we should probably focus on the wrong things being taught in our basketball program.
It is extremely hard to teach students that don't want to learn or are dealing with so much crap in their life that focusing on learning is a challenge.Here is the article I got it from
Education Rankings by Country 2023
worldpopulationreview.com
Here is the money quote
Ironically, despite the United States having the best-surveyed education system on the globe, U.S students consistently score lower in math and science than students from many other countries. According to a Business Insider report in 2018, the U.S. ranked 38th in math scores and 24th in science.
Just saying, not sure what they are teaching but sure not doing well teaching math and science
Cuonzo martin would be a disaster
Kids have always had to deal with crap. In fact, they had to deal with more of it in the past, when true hardships were more common. Perhaps...perhaps...it has to do with how we deal with kids who complain of these things, or, more precisely, how we teach kids to deal with their stressors? The increasing push in K-12 public education is to turn schools into mental health treatment centers. I see it firsthand. And such therapeutic services is to be supervised by a physician. That's like a baseline requirement outside of education. Within education, it's almost unheard of. And I don't mean someone with a graduate degree in educational psychology. They are not physicians. Instead, we have people untrained to deal with treating mental health issues doing just that. Beyond that, when you offer these services, you invariably create demand for such services. One of the first costs is less time in class for those students.It is extremely hard to teach students that don't want to learn or are dealing with so much crap in their life that focusing on learning is a challenge.
I also hate worrying about some stupid score to decide if we are doing well with students. Testing is a horrible motivator. I think our schools are not doing a very good job of making these topics resonate with students. Kids are rarely given a good explanation why they should learn something. Kids are just like us.... we learn about things that are interesting to us.
1. Most elite talent in BB can’t pass NU admissions.Interesting. Are you saying elite talent won’t come to NU?
Well, Duke does.1. Most elite talent in BB can’t pass NU admissions.
2. Elite talent might not want a program that has gone to the big dance once in its history.
3. Elite talent with academic credentials has Duke, Georgetown, Stanford as options. They go to dance every year.
Super interesting. I would have thought that the "money quote" in the article that you cite to support your opinion that lower math and science in U.S. scores are due to "wokeness being taught in schools" would have actually put the blame on "wokeness" instead of saying,Here is the article I got it from
Education Rankings by Country 2023
worldpopulationreview.com
Here is the money quote
Ironically, despite the United States having the best-surveyed education system on the globe, U.S students consistently score lower in math and science than students from many other countries. According to a Business Insider report in 2018, the U.S. ranked 38th in math scores and 24th in science.
Just saying, not sure what they are teaching but sure not doing well teaching math and science
Yup, the Chinese are known for sugar coating everything….It is extremely hard to teach students that don't want to learn or are dealing with so much crap in their life that focusing on learning is a challenge.
I also hate worrying about some stupid score to decide if we are doing well with students. Testing is a horrible motivator. I think our schools are not doing a very good job of making these topics resonate with students. Kids are rarely given a good explanation why they should learn something. Kids are just like us.... we learn about things that are interesting to us.
Not really interested in living like the Chinese myself. Are you?Yup, the Chinese are known for sugar coating everything….
such BS - but ok, the country’s dominance couldn’t last forever…
We have literally 30 years of research that demonstrates that the academic performance of students is not correlated to spending on education. In general, people are entirely ignorant about this and about what is spent on K-12 public education. In reality, high-poverty schools have higher per pupil revenue than low-poverty schools. Unfortunately, pathologies present in most of our high-poverty communities are embedded and education reform cannot address many of them. Sometimes there aren't solutions to problems, at least solutions that can be successfully undertaken by grand secular institutions. As Americans, we hate to have to accept this truth,Super interesting. I would have thought that the "money quote" in the article that you cite to support your opinion that lower math and science in U.S. scores are due to "wokeness being taught in schools" would have actually put the blame on "wokeness" instead of saying,
"Discussions about why the United States' education rankings have fallen by international standards over the past three decades frequently point out that government spending on education has failed to keep up with inflation."
I'm not making the argument. hdhntr1 is. I'm just letting him know that the link he provided to back up his assertion doesn't back up his assertion...it contradicts it.We have literally 30 years of research that demonstrates that the academic performance of students is not correlated to spending on education. In general, people are entirely ignorant about this and about what is spent on K-12 public education. In reality, high-poverty schools have higher per pupil revenue than low-poverty schools. Unfortunately, pathologies present in most of our high-poverty communities are embedded and education reform cannot address many of them. Sometimes there aren't solutions to problems, at least solutions that can be successfully undertaken by grand secular institutions. As Americans, we hate to have to accept this truth,
You have a strange understanding of the word "rant."I'm not making the argument. hdhntr1 is. I'm just letting him know that the link he provided to back up his assertion doesn't back up his assertion...it contradicts it.
But congrats on the thoughtful rant board post tho.
Having a bad day? Maybe you aren't familiar with the famous former "Rant Board" that this site had? The one where all political discourse was moved to so that the football board was about football and the basketball board was about basketball? I guess you don't like me complimenting you on what would have been a good and thoughtful post on that board? That post would have been. It was very thoughtful.You have a strange understanding of the word "rant."
But you seem like a real gem. Back to sports bro talk.
Nope but interested in returning our educational results to exceeding theirs. Wonder what changed in the last 25 years…Not really interested in living like the Chinese myself. Are you?
So, I've spent several weeks in China and several weeks in India. Like 6 trips each country of a week each. Qualifier, all in very large cities. Tell me which is better. One country that is relatively clean, safe, citizens educated and relatively prosperous, crowded but manageable, amazing public transit, decent housing, but is a one party dictatorship that imprisons 10s of millions of people. The other country is the largest democracy in the world, but 90% of its citizens live in squalor, can't afford the basic necessities of life, and are in danger of personal/property crime. Public transport is laughable and traffic is unbearable. One of these countries has per capita GDP that is multiple X as much as the other, and has far less of an income distribution disparity.Nope but interested in returning our educational results to exceeding theirs. Wonder what changed in the last 25 years…
India is nominally a democracy but has its own deeply problematic civil rights issues - see Kashmir for ex. Modi also isn’t exactly a virtuous pro-democracy liberal reformer.So, I've spent several weeks in China and several weeks in India. Like 6 trips each country of a week each. Qualifier, all in very large cities. Tell me which is better. One country that is relatively clean, safe, citizens educated and relatively prosperous, crowded but manageable, amazing public transit, decent housing, but is a one party dictatorship that imprisons 10s of millions of people. The other country is the largest democracy in the world, but 90% of its citizens live in squalor, can't afford the basic necessities of life, and are in danger of personal/property crime. Public transport is laughable and traffic is unbearable. One of these countries has per capita GDP that is multiple X as much as the other, and has far less of an income distribution disparity.
I don't know the answer, but I do know that the answer isn't as obvious as people think it is.
The kicker though is that the group of students we're complaining about who can't attack a zone defense, clearly can do basic math or they wouldn't be here!"our public education system is failing, so many kids cannot do basic math or attack a zone defense"
that got me to laugh out loud.
Well, Duke does but the other two are pretty infrequent lately1. Most elite talent in BB can’t pass NU admissions.
2. Elite talent might not want a program that has gone to the big dance once in its history.
3. Elite talent with academic credentials has Duke, Georgetown, Stanford as options. They go to dance every year.
The question was about recruits from different countries being able to get through NU admissions. I am just suggesting it is not as far fetched as people would think. We get the best from the US but in those areas the product of the US educational system is not that great so not hard to believe that the student athletes from many other countries are not as likely to find it impossible to compete. It would therefore be reasonable to think there might be some opportunities for us with overseas talent.Super interesting. I would have thought that the "money quote" in the article that you cite to support your opinion that lower math and science in U.S. scores are due to "wokeness being taught in schools" would have actually put the blame on "wokeness" instead of saying,
"Discussions about why the United States' education rankings have fallen by international standards over the past three decades frequently point out that government spending on education has failed to keep up with inflation."
Well I like the Americanized version of their food.Not really interested in living like the Chinese myself. Are you?