I’d be mad. It would smell to much of quitting and running away, and he seems made of sterner stuff then that. I expect him to fight for the next three years with these recruits.
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That's a joke, right?Don't want him to leave but if he left I wouldn't be that upset. Can't be any worse than we are now. Maybe a very young mid-major coach could instill some additional momentum
Not directed art you, but I never liked this argument. Almost a victim of his own success. Well you did it once! Impossible with admissions no. Unlikely, with admissions yes. Unless, NU gets the unicorn recruit (PBJ) it will be extremely hard to be a consistent winner. Even then it would need to catch national attention like What happened with Duke with Gminski, Spanarkel et al.I think they should keep trying until they do. Collins himself disproved the argument that NU admissions makes winning impossible.
They've lost 25 consecutive conference games!! That's an NCAA record. Their recent history is pretty miserable.
Ah, the Dark Ages redux. Could only foreshadow a Renaissance. Ask someone from MSU what renaissance means.26 consecutive games if one includes a loss in the SEC tourney in 2018
Has a men’s basketball coach ever left on his own volition for another job? I think not.
Don't think he'd have any problem getting a new job. NBA?Who would possible want to hire CCC right now?
Holy Cross.Who would possible want to hire CCC right now?
As a head coach? Or an assistant?Don't think he'd have any problem getting a new job. NBA?
As a head coach? Or an assistant?
Thinking as an assistant. I worked for the Bulls when Doug was coaching and have spoken to him a couple of times at W-R.. Just reading between the lines.As a head coach? Or an assistant?
Who would possible want to hire CCC right now?
That's a joke, right?
I believe CCC is more well thought of by people in the industry than by many on this board. He would get another job and quickly.I will say that he still has the Duke pedigree both as a player and a coach and he did the impossible of taking NU to the dance. It's his first head coaching job, he learned a lot etc. I don't think it's a hard sell for his his agent to line up decent interviews.
Uh, Nebraska just got a new HC so they are likely good for a few years.In terms of results? Nebraska. Yeah, they've been to the Tourney more times, but at least NU has won a game.
Collins could probably take his recruiting to Nebraska, with fewer recruiting restrictions, and have some good results.
I would counter that they are likely bad for a few years.Uh, Nebraska just got a new HC so they are likely good for a few years.
My short, late answer ...
a) I'm having real problems lately with the hideous number of empty Wilson seats. Yes, yes ... I know it's a bad team, but even when the team was ok (not good), half those seats are empty. I imagine it's got to be completely disheartening to see that night after night.
So with support like that, I wouldn't blame CC/be mad if he bolted.
b) Collins is creeping up on those Carmody years where, personally, I'm grateful for anyone with any skill who sticks around this long.
c) Would I be mad at Phillips if CC was dumped? I think it's early to dump the guy who got you to the tournament. So if you do this early, you better be prepared and have your ducks lined up for the next guy. No long process. No assistants. No guys with only mid-major experience.
d) In the end, I wouldn't be mad at CC. I'd be mad for what it said about the possibilities. It would be another in a line of people stating how difficult the gig is, leaving NU is some head-shaking/"poor NU" position again.
Does not mean that the institution isn't still an impediment to success here. Just a bit less than they have beenInteresting thoughts. Phillips would be crazy to dump CCC and Phillips isn't crazy. I'd be disappointed if CCC were to leave, but I wouldn't be mad. I don't get mad at people for making decisions in their own best interest.
That said, I find it interesting that so many people are putting the blame for the current state of our MBB on the institution when institutional support for athletics has never been stronger. I continue to wonder why football has cracked the nut to a great degree while MBB has struggled to do so.
No long process. No assistants. No guys with only mid-major experience.
I bet NU could get a power conference coach on the downside of their career, if that’s what excites you. Think Mike Montgomery at Cal, or Tubby at Texas Tech.I don't like the idea of assistants either. But do you think we could possibly aim for an experienced P6 coach? I mean, one with actual success, not one who flopped.
Baldwin?My short, late answer ...
a) I'm having real problems lately with the hideous number of empty Wilson seats. Yes, yes ... I know it's a bad team, but even when the team was ok (not good), half those seats are empty. I imagine it's got to be completely disheartening to see that night after night.
So with support like that, I wouldn't blame CC/be mad if he bolted.
b) Collins is creeping up on those Carmody years where, personally, I'm grateful for anyone with any skill who sticks around this long.
c) Would I be mad at Phillips if CC was dumped? I think it's early to dump the guy who got you to the tournament. So if you do this early, you better be prepared and have your ducks lined up for the next guy. No long process. No assistants. No guys with only mid-major experience.
d) In the end, I wouldn't be mad at CC. I'd be mad for what it said about the possibilities. It would be another in a line of people stating how difficult the gig is, leaving NU is some head-shaking/"poor NU" position again.
No mystery here. Basketball players can go pro after one year; Football three, therefore academics are much more important to football players. Then, throw in the fact that basketball players are usually from more educationally-depressed areas and poorer families and the fact that many basketball players are tied to AAU coaches who usually care little about guys "playing school." AND football recruiting is a more inexact science because there is no national head-to-head competition that compares to hoops.I continue to wonder why football has cracked the nut to a great degree while MBB has struggled to do so.
Lot of generalizations here, but I think you greatly exaggerating the difference between football and basketball preps and recruiting practices.No mystery here. Basketball players can go pro after one year; Football three, therefore academics are much more important to football players. Then, throw in the fact that basketball players are usually from more educationally-depressed areas and poorer families and the fact that many basketball players are tied to AAU coaches who usually care little about guys "playing school." AND football recruiting is a more inexact science because there is no national head-to-head competition that compares to hoops.
GoodI bet NU could get a power conference coach on the downside of their career, if that’s what excites you. Think Mike Montgomery at Cal, or Tubby at Texas Tech.
Also, I don’t think we need to worry about this for a long time — 5 years at least.
No mystery here. Basketball players can go pro after one year; Football three, therefore academics are much more important to football players. Then, throw in the fact that basketball players are usually from more educationally-depressed areas and poorer families and the fact that many basketball players are tied to AAU coaches who usually care little about guys "playing school." AND football recruiting is a more inexact science because there is no national head-to-head competition that compares to hoops.
Does not mean that the institution isn't still an impediment to success here. Just a bit less than they have been
NU recruited poorly for three years — no Big Ten starters from Pardon to Kopp. NU appears to have locked down its third straight pretty good class. (I’ve seen enough of Kopp, Young, Boo, Beran to believe all can become pretty good. Solid hit rate.)Do you have any data to back up your contention that more basketball players are from academically-depressed areas and
There is increasingly more parity in college basketball and more and more teams competing with less highly regarded talent, so I just find it difficult to understand why Northwestern is unable to compete in 2020 in basketball. The excuses you suggest don't really resonate for me. There's something happening, but I don't think what you suggest is it.
I don't know about data but I do know basketball doesn't require facilities and gear that football does. And when you only have to wait only one year to go pro, agents and AAU coaches with no academic ties can have a lot more influence that high school counselors and football coaches. As to the parity, it's great to see. There are a lot of good players out there but how many can qualify academically for NU?more parity in college basketball
Then what is it? What is your theory?So, why has Northwestern's most notable basketball success in the modern era come in the time of more players declaring for the NBA draft than ever? Your "therefore" doesn't ring true as a causation comparable.
Do you have any data to back up your contention that more basketball players are from academically-depressed areas and poorer families? And do you have any data to back up your contention that football recruiting rankings are less accurate than basketball rankings when accounting for volume? One might contend that while football recruiting has less national head-to-head competition, one needs to hit on much fewer players to be successful. And if are recruiting success is increasing as the rankings suggest, why aren't our results improving?
There is increasingly more parity in college basketball and more and more teams competing with less highly regarded talent, so I just find it difficult to understand why Northwestern is unable to compete in 2020 in basketball. The excuses you suggest don't really resonate for me. There's something happening, but I don't think what you suggest is it.
... I find it interesting that so many people are putting the blame for the current state of our MBB on the institution when institutional support for athletics has never been stronger ...
... do you think we could possibly aim for an experienced P6 coach? I mean, one with actual success, not one who flopped.
Well, they are overpaying for the current coach. $3 million a year for 2 winning seasons in 7 ain't exactly fiscal prudence.......1) "Consider?" Yes.
Seriously engage? I think you'd have to overpay ... WAY overpay. I think NU has the money. I'll let you decide whether they would actually spend it..
Overpay? NCAA Tournament!!Well, they are overpaying for the current coach. $3 million a year for 2 winning seasons in 7 ain't exactly fiscal prudence.......
Yes, you can't minimize the importance of getting NU over the hump, given how bad the history and facilities were when CCC came on board.Overpay? NCAA Tournament!!