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Keith Watkins was carted off the field with what appeared to be a lower body injury. That's all we know. The injury report comes out tomorrow. We probably won't know anything before then.
Keith Watkins was carted off the field with what appeared to be a lower body injury. That's all we know. The injury report comes out tomorrow. We probably won't know anything before then.
Was anyone from the press there to see the severity of it?
On the one hand, being carted off the field screams BAD. On the other hand, given Keith's past, it would make sense for them to be WAY overly cautious.
I heard from one player off the record that thinks Keith will be alright and that he didn't think it was anything severe. I guess we will all have to wait and see.
Not allowed.Was anyone from the press there to see the severity of it?
On the one hand, being carted off the field screams BAD. On the other hand, given Keith's past, it would make sense for them to be WAY overly cautious.
I heard from one player off the record that thinks Keith will be alright and that he didn't think it was anything severe. I guess we will all have to wait and see.
Were you there lou? Contact injury or non-contact?
As if a thousand ACLs screamed out in pain...and then were silenced.I felt a great disturbance in the Force today.
I thought were set for this year after we had already sacrificed Trae Williams to the NUCHG (NU Cornerback Hating Gods). Just hoping Keith is okay.
I'd be shocked if he plays this seasonDo we have an expected return date for Williams?
I'd be shocked if he plays this season
Didn't he tear his Achilles in the spring?The report was that he would return in October.
I thought were set for this year after we had already sacrificed Trae Williams to the NUCHG (NU Cornerback Hating Gods). Just hoping Keith is okay.
Do we have an expected return date for Williams?
Also with GCG... Achilles tears, while not fun, if straightforward and all goes well in recovery, are in the ~6 month range usually I think. I've had a couple friends who have gone through it. Think others might be confusing with ACLs, which tend to be in the 9-12 month range if all goes well.I'm with gocatsgo on this...I thought I had read an October return was expected. Guess we will find out for sure when this week's injury report is released tomorrow.
Also with GCG... Achilles tears, while not fun, if straightforward and all goes well in recovery, are in the ~6 month range usually I think. I've had a couple friends who have gone through it. Think others might be confusing with ACLs, which tend to be in the 9-12 month range if all goes well.
To the main topic though, HOPING THAT KEITH IS OKAY!
Dan Persa begs to differ
Also with GCG... Achilles tears, while not fun, if straightforward and all goes well in recovery, are in the ~6 month range usually I think. I've had a couple friends who have gone through it. Think others might be confusing with ACLs, which tend to be in the 9-12 month range if all goes well.
To the main topic though, HOPING THAT KEITH IS OKAY!
It is hard for me to imagine a CB recovering quickly from an Achilles injury. Back-pedaling into coverage seems like one of the highest stress actions for someone recovering from injury. Time will tell I guess.Textbook recovery for Achilles is 6 months, but with athletes I think it is more variable due to the amount of stress and load put on the tendon. Setbacks are not uncommon, though Trae seems to have had a smooth recovery so far.
I generally think it is a more threatening injury than an ACL tear in many ways. At least recovery time and effectiveness seems to be more variable. That's my anecdotal view--not substantiated by research.
"if straightforward and all goes well in recovery" was literally in the text of my post that you just quoted.Dan Persa begs to differ
Yes they need to get to a higher standard of physical fitness and conditioning. But they also have MUCH more active recovery and rehab activities than the average person. A friend of mine tore his Achilles 5 months ago, was able to walk normally (boot fully removed) again a month ago and has just started jogging. Obviously would not be playing contact football in another month... but he did weekly physical therapy and had regular stretches to work on on his own... somehow I suspect that Trae's recovery regiment has been a bit more structured and active day to day than that.The recovery time on an Achilles tear for an average person is quite different than for an athlete. In my opinion, an Achilles tear is the most devastating single injury that can happen to an athlete. I would be surprised if we see much of Williams this year. Getting Campbell and Mayo back will quickly restore our depth at CB.
Yes they need to get to a higher standard of physical fitness and conditioning. But they also have MUCH more active recovery and rehab activities than the average person. A friend of mine tore his Achilles 5 months ago, was able to walk normally (boot fully removed) again a month ago and has just started jogging. Obviously would not be playing contact football in another month... but he did weekly physical therapy and had regular stretches to work on on his own... somehow I suspect that Trae's recovery regiment has been a bit more structured and active day to day than that.
That said, from a high-level point I agree that it's unlikely we see Trae much this year. Even if he's back available, I think it's unlikely he's playing at his best, and if we have experienced guys like Watkins Hartage McShepard healthy, and RoCamp and Mayo waiting in the wings, it'll be awfully tough for him to break into the rotation when he's starting in a hole from not participating in offseason workouts and camp.
Ah interesting point. Though we are pretty stacked at S too with Godwin Quiero and McGee. There will certainly be space at that position next year though after Godwin and Kyle graduate.My money is on him playing safety, especially that he's now listed at 212. He had started that transition last spring.
Ah interesting point. Though we are pretty stacked at S too with Godwin Quiero and McGee. There will certainly be space at that position next year though after Godwin and Kyle graduate.
Saturday around 2:30When do we find out about Watkins?
Press had both the initial injury and subsequent setbacks.
"if straightforward and all goes well in recovery" was literally in the text of my post that you just quoted.
Yeah, this is pretty much what I had suspected about this injury. It is more threatening than an ACL tear, IMO. Recovery time for athletes are comparable. It's basically a lost season.Six months is a gen pop number for Achilles. Nearly every Achilles injury a related to athletes has what press would call a "setback" but doctors would consider almost expected. Its one of those injuries that you feel great (and things look good) and can get cleared, but repetitive stress of playing football and how you heal (or lack) means you have to retreat the injury (disclaimer - not a doctor, but one put me on shelf for a year, so know it well).
A study on football players show for those that are actually able to return, 11 months is the typical recovery. Caveat on this study is that it is old, but my rudimentary understanding is that things haven't changed that much).
http://lermagazine.com/article/return-to-football-after-achilles-tendon-rupture
Another more recent article that shows 36% of players never play again
https://www.si.com/edge/2015/04/16/rothman-sports-medicine-achilles-injuries-kobe-bryant
To summarize - for football players, I would expect 9 months minimum (obviously there are exceptions), and don't expect the same level of power/push off. As stated above, injury particularly bad for skill positions.
I remember when Kalin Lucas tore his achilles back in 2010, it took him 10-11 months until he was fully back to the player had been previously. I can only imagine football is tougher than basketball when it comes to this injury.Yeah, this is pretty much what I had suspected about this injury. It is more threatening than an ACL tear, IMO. Recovery time for athletes are comparable. It's basically a lost season.