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So with non-conference play effectively over (except for Central Connecticut-Rutgers tomorrow), here's where we stand in the NET rankings, the primary metric the NCAA uses to award postseason berths:

As of this morning, NU is #46 in the NET rankings. This would place us solidly on the bubble. Teams in the 40s generally make it in; teams in the 50s generally do not. Here's our resume, remembering the UIS game doesn't count:

Quad 1 (0-2)
N #28 Providence - L
A #47 Wake Forest - L

Quad 2 (1-0)
A #116 Maryland - W

Quad 3 (0-0)

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #243 Georgia - W
H #267 High Point - W
H #277 New Orleans - W
H #291 NJIT - W
H #346 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #355 Eastern Illinois - W

When sorting teams, the committee looks for Quad 1 wins and Quad 3/4 losses. While we have no bad losses, we also have no good wins, and (unlike the RPI) we get no credit for playing and losing to good teams. Maryland is our best win by far, but that won't become a Quad 1 win unless they work their way up to 75 or better - and if they drop to 136 it becomes a Quad 3 win. Georgia is horrendous - it's almost unbelievable that beating an SEC team on a neutral court is only a Quad 4 win, but that's how bad they are. Canceling the DePaul game wasn't a huge deal, but it cost us a potential Quad 2 or Quad 3 win. Canceling PVAM was a non-factor as that would have been a Quad 4 game.

For better or for worse, NU's postseason future will depend entirely on Big Ten play. Some points:
1. To qualify for any postseason tournament, NU must be .500 or better. Therefore, we must win at least 8 conference games if we want to lock in a .500 record.
2. We need Quad 1 wins. MSU on Sunday will be our first opportunity to get one.
3. We must avoid losing to Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers, or Nebraska.

I'll try to update our NET resume every so often as the season progresses.
 
Update: NU now sits at #69, which is probably a low NIT seed. The Q3 loss hurts.

Quad 1 (0-4)
H #15 Michigan State - L
A #25 Ohio State - L
N #35 Providence - L
A #47 Wake Forest - L

Quad 2 (1-0)
A #112 Maryland - W

Quad 3 (0-1)
H #88 Penn State - L

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #228 Georgia - W
H #253 NJIT - W
H #286 High Point - W
H #289 New Orleans - W
H #333 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #356 Eastern Illinois - W
 
Update: NU now sits at #69, which is probably a low NIT seed. The Q3 loss hurts.

Quad 1 (0-4)
H #15 Michigan State - L
A #25 Ohio State - L
N #35 Providence - L
A #47 Wake Forest - L

Quad 2 (1-0)
A #112 Maryland - W

Quad 3 (0-1)
H #88 Penn State - L

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #228 Georgia - W
H #253 NJIT - W
H #286 High Point - W
H #289 New Orleans - W
H #333 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #356 Eastern Illinois - W
Maryland is mired in the basement of the BIG without a conference win. Our one win so far may not end up all that impressive. God forbid we lose to them this week.
 
Well... back to just watching the score on the ticker for a couple more years again...
Exactly what I do. Cancelled Hulu, to be restarted in time for the Dublin game. I'll be happy to eat crow if they turn it around, but I don't expect this veteran-laden team to suddenly "get it".
 
Exactly what I do. Cancelled Hulu, to be restarted in time for the Dublin game. I'll be happy to eat crow if they turn it around, but I don't expect this veteran-laden team to suddenly "get it".
I fully admit I’m a fair weather hoops fan. College Basketball is a distant fifth or sixth in sports for me, though I love watching the cats when they’re good and competitive, but there’s only so many hours in a day and I can only invest so much emotional energy in this team that is so consistently heartbreaking, so here we are. I watched the last half dozen games or so as appointment viewing to make sure I’d be invested for a potential run, now they’re back out of the priority list.
 
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After falling out of postseason contention entirely after the Maryland loss, NU has climbed back up to #72 thanks to the MSU win, which puts them back on the NIT bubble.

Quad 1 (1-4)
H #23 Michigan State - L
A #23 Michigan State - W
A #25 Ohio State - L
N #33 Providence - L
A #49 Wake Forest - L

Quad 2 (1-0)
A #108 Maryland - W

Quad 3 (0-2)
H #88 Penn State - L
H #108 Maryland - L

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #226 Georgia - W
H #274 New Orleans - W
H #281 High Point - W
H #284 NJIT - W
H #337 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #356 Eastern Illinois - W
 
After falling out of postseason contention entirely after the Maryland loss, NU has climbed back up to #72 thanks to the MSU win, which puts them back on the NIT bubble.

Quad 1 (1-4)
H #23 Michigan State - L
A #23 Michigan State - W
A #25 Ohio State - L
N #33 Providence - L
A #49 Wake Forest - L

Quad 2 (1-0)
A #108 Maryland - W

Quad 3 (0-2)
H #88 Penn State - L
H #108 Maryland - L

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #226 Georgia - W
H #274 New Orleans - W
H #281 High Point - W
H #284 NJIT - W
H #337 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #356 Eastern Illinois - W
Thanks for posting your updates. I like when people post facts. I see those L's and think about what should have been.

Hopefully the MSU victory improves our ability to win some close games and those who quickly jumped off the bandwagon can be allowed back on.
 
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After falling out of postseason contention entirely after the Maryland loss, NU has climbed back up to #72 thanks to the MSU win, which puts them back on the NIT bubble.

Quad 1 (1-4)
H #23 Michigan State - L
A #23 Michigan State - W
A #25 Ohio State - L
N #33 Providence - L
A #49 Wake Forest - L

Quad 2 (1-0)
A #108 Maryland - W

Quad 3 (0-2)
H #88 Penn State - L
H #108 Maryland - L

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #226 Georgia - W
H #274 New Orleans - W
H #281 High Point - W
H #284 NJIT - W
H #337 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #356 Eastern Illinois - W
Just a silly note:

How in the hell does a school that wins the College Football Playoff have a basketball team that is ranked #226 (NET) and #212 (kenpom)? That is crazy. We were #191 in 2008 (1-17 in the Big Ten) and we were nowhere close to winning a national football championship.
 
Just a silly note:

How in the hell does a school that wins the College Football Playoff have a basketball team that is ranked #226 (NET) and #212 (kenpom)? That is crazy. We were #191 in 2008 (1-17 in the Big Ten) and we were nowhere close to winning a national football championship.
Because football matters and basketball is just a way to waste time waiting on football to start again.
 
After falling out of postseason contention entirely after the Maryland loss, NU has climbed back up to #72 thanks to the MSU win, which puts them back on the NIT bubble.

Quad 1 (1-4)
H #23 Michigan State - L
A #23 Michigan State - W
A #25 Ohio State - L
N #33 Providence - L
A #49 Wake Forest - L

Quad 2 (1-0)
A #108 Maryland - W

Quad 3 (0-2)
H #88 Penn State - L
H #108 Maryland - L

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #226 Georgia - W
H #274 New Orleans - W
H #281 High Point - W
H #284 NJIT - W
H #337 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #356 Eastern Illinois - W
Question: How can Maryland be in quad 2 and quad 3?
 
Just a silly note:

How in the hell does a school that wins the College Football Playoff have a basketball team that is ranked #226 (NET) and #212 (kenpom)? That is crazy. We were #191 in 2008 (1-17 in the Big Ten) and we were nowhere close to winning a national football championship.
Football schools and basketball schools?
 
Because football matters and basketball is just a way to waste time waiting on football to start again.
I thought basketball was how you keep the football players in shape in the off season? That can't be a waste of time!
 
After falling out of postseason contention entirely after the Maryland loss, NU has climbed back up to #72 thanks to the MSU win, which puts them back on the NIT bubble.

Quad 1 (1-4)
H #23 Michigan State - L
A #23 Michigan State - W
A #25 Ohio State - L
N #33 Providence - L
A #49 Wake Forest - L

Quad 2 (1-0)
A #108 Maryland - W

Quad 3 (0-2)
H #88 Penn State - L
H #108 Maryland - L

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #226 Georgia - W
H #274 New Orleans - W
H #281 High Point - W
H #284 NJIT - W
H #337 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #356 Eastern Illinois - WHow is MD a quad 2 win and a quad 3 loss?
 
After falling out of postseason contention entirely after the Maryland loss, NU has climbed back up to #72 thanks to the MSU win, which puts them back on the NIT bubble.

Quad 1 (1-4)
H #23 Michigan State - L
A #23 Michigan State - W
A #25 Ohio State - L
N #33 Providence - L
A #49 Wake Forest - L

Quad 2 (1-0)
A #108 Maryland - W

Quad 3 (0-2)
H #88 Penn State - L
H #108 Maryland - L

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #226 Georgia - W
H #274 New Orleans - W
H #281 High Point - W
H #284 NJIT - W
H #337 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #356 Eastern Illinois - W
How is MD a quad 2 win but a Quad 3 loss?
 
Home vs away

The quadrant system will still be used on team sheets to give context to wins and losses. The system sorts results in the following manner:

Quadrant 1: Home 1-30, Neutral 1-50, Away 1-75.
Quadrant 2: Home 31-75, Neutral 51-100, Away 76-135.
Quadrant 3: Home 76-160, Neutral 101-200, Away 135-240.
Quadrant 4: Home 161-353, Neutral 201-353, Away 241-353.
 
Two losses this week to good teams have dropped NU to #81, which would likely mean missing the NIT. Two more Quad 1 games this week.

Quad 1 (1-6)
A #8 Purdue - L
H #18 Michigan State - L
A #18 Michigan State - W
H #21 Wisconsin - L
A #23 Ohio State - L
N #39 Providence - L
A #40 Wake Forest - L

Quad 2 (1-0)
A #99 Maryland - W

Quad 3 (0-2)
H #89 Penn State - L
H #99 Maryland - L

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #232 Georgia - W
H #269 New Orleans - W
H #289 High Point - W
H #312 NJIT - W
H #346 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #356 Eastern Illinois - W
 
Should have beaten Wisconsin, that really could've gotten us on some mo. Michigan presents an opportunity but in case anyone's noticed, they are playing very well again.
 
Despite going 0-2 this week, NU played well enough that their rating actually improved to #78. That would likely not be good enough for the postseason, but it's irrelevant in any case as NU is currently below .500. This week offers two Quad 3 games.

Quad 1 (1-8)
A #8 Purdue - L
H #15 Illinois - L
H #18 Michigan State - L
A #18 Michigan State - W
A #19 Ohio State - L
H #21 Wisconsin - L
N #30 Providence - L
A #43 Wake Forest - L
A #47 Michigan - L

Quad 2 (1-0)
A #100 Maryland - W

Quad 3 (0-2)
H #96 Penn State - L
H #100 Maryland - L

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #213 Georgia - W
H #256 New Orleans - W
H #270 High Point - W
H #315 NJIT - W
H #343 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #355 Eastern Illinois - W
 
After finally turning in a 2-0 week, NU has risen to #67, which puts them solidly on the NIT bubble, assuming they can maintain a .500+ record. This week features one Quad 1 and one Quad 2 game.

Quad 1 (1-8)
A #5 Purdue - L
H #13 Illinois - L
A #17 Ohio State - L
H #19 Wisconsin - L
H #23 Michigan State - L
A #23 Michigan State - W
N #26 Providence - L
A #38 Wake Forest - L
A #52 Michigan - L

Quad 2 (1-0)
A #101 Maryland - W

Quad 3 (2-2)
H #90 Penn State - L
H #99 Rutgers - W
H #101 Maryland - L
A #198 Nebraska - W

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #205 Georgia - W
H #252 New Orleans - W
H #268 High Point - W
H #309 NJIT - W
H #349 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #355 Eastern Illinois - W
 
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A 1-1 week, but NU has again risen slightly to #65. This is approaching NIT territory, but of course their 12-11 record means they are teetering on the edge of postseason eligibility. A Quad 1 and a Quad 2 game await this week.

Quad 1 (1-9)
A #9 Purdue - L
H #13 Illinois - L
A #13 Illinois - L
A #17 Ohio State - L
H #23 Wisconsin - L
H #24 Michigan State - L
A #24 Michigan State - W
N #29 Providence - L
A #35 Michigan - L
A #40 Wake Forest - L

Quad 2 (2-0)
H #41 Indiana - W
A #99 Maryland - W

Quad 3 (2-2)
H #81 Rutgers - W
H #93 Penn State - L
H #99 Maryland - L
A #178 Nebraska - W

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #205 Georgia - W
H #240 New Orleans - W
H #265 High Point - W
H #314 NJIT - W
H #349 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #355 Eastern Illinois - W
 
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In an evaluation system like the NET, our Quad 1 record makes us look a little worse than we really are.
But it also makes us less attractive for postseason play.

Sagarin has us at #55, one spot behind Notre Dame, who is tied for first in the ACC. His system is based purely on final score margins.

Its the difference between playing close games and winning close games.
 
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In an evaluation system like the NET, our Quad 1 record makes us look a little worse than we really are.
But it also makes us less attractive for postseason play.

Sagarin has us at #55, one spot behind Notre Dame, who is tied for first in the ACC. His system is based purely on final score margins.

Its the difference between playing close games and winning close games.

Well that's the thing, the computers love us relative to our resume. It's Valentine's Day and we only have 5 wins against non-Q4/UIS opponents. That's not great.
 
Not sure if there's much point in continuing this, but after an 0-2 week, NU has dropped all the way to #76, which is barely on the fringes of the NIT bubble, and is below .500, which puts them out of postseason contention entirely. Not much resume help coming this week with a Quad 4 and a Quad 2 game.

Quad 1 (1-10)
H #9 Purdue - L
A #9 Purdue - L
H #14 Illinois - L
A #14 Illinois - L
A #18 Ohio State - L
H #20 Wisconsin - L
N #27 Providence - L
H #28 Michigan State - L
A #28 Michigan State - W
A #34 Michigan - L
A #40 Wake Forest - L

Quad 2 (2-1)
H #43 Indiana - W
A #95 Maryland - W
A #101 Minnesota - L

Quad 3 (2-2)
H #80 Rutgers - W
H #83 Penn State - L
H #95 Maryland - L
A #187 Nebraska - W

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #213 Georgia - W
H #236 New Orleans - W
H #274 High Point - W
H #310 NJIT - W
H #350 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #355 Eastern Illinois - W
 
Not sure if there's much point in continuing this, but after an 0-2 week, NU has dropped all the way to #76, which is barely on the fringes of the NIT bubble, and is below .500, which puts them out of postseason contention entirely. Not much resume help coming this week with a Quad 4 and a Quad 2 game.

Quad 1 (1-10)
H #9 Purdue - L
A #9 Purdue - L
H #14 Illinois - L
A #14 Illinois - L
A #18 Ohio State - L
H #20 Wisconsin - L
N #27 Providence - L
H #28 Michigan State - L
A #28 Michigan State - W
A #34 Michigan - L
A #40 Wake Forest - L

Quad 2 (2-1)
H #43 Indiana - W
A #95 Maryland - W
A #101 Minnesota - L

Quad 3 (2-2)
H #80 Rutgers - W
H #83 Penn State - L
H #95 Maryland - L
A #187 Nebraska - W

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #213 Georgia - W
H #236 New Orleans - W
H #274 High Point - W
H #310 NJIT - W
H #350 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #355 Eastern Illinois - W
Has the team quit on Collins?
We were pretty listless against Purdue - but thats a tough situation - they're better than us and our home crowd was dominated by the Purdue crowd..

Maybe we can blame the debacle at Minnesota on getting stuck at OHare and arriving late...
Thats a valid excuse, perhaps.

Hopefully we come out full of energy against the Huskers on Tuesday.

If not, the team has quit.
 
Has the team quit on Collins?
We were pretty listless against Purdue - but thats a tough situation - they're better than us and our home crowd was dominated by the Purdue crowd..

Maybe we can blame the debacle at Minnesota on getting stuck at OHare and arriving late...
Thats a valid excuse, perhaps.

Hopefully we come out full of energy against the Huskers on Tuesday.

If not, the team has quit.
If the team had won out (starting with Minnesota) then they would have been in in the conversation for the bubble. This is not crazy considering who were playing (Minnesota X 2 Nebraska, Iowa, Penn State) Two wins in the BTT and there would have actually been a reason to watch the Sunday Selection show. Not sure what other motivation they needed. I can't understand how they came out so flat.

I don't know if "quit" is the right word. They made a run to cut it down to 7 in the second half (from 20). Not sure how to describe what's going on. Put me in the change for the sake of change camp. Now is the time to really shake it up if you are Collins. There is nothing left to lose. Start Greer and Buie, go twin towers and play Nicholson and Young together and see what happens. Just roll the dice at this point. Give me a reason to watch the Nebraska game, other than massochistic curiousity.
 
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I'd like to see Nance / Young / Beran / Greer / Buie
or
I'd like to see Nance / Young / Beran / Audige/ Buie

I mean the vast majority of people think the latter 5 guys are our best 5 players and they have never played together this year, which is odd in itself.
 
The PSU loss didn't hurt the rating all that much, but NU is still stuck at #80 and below .500. At this point they basically need to win their last two games and then make noise in the conference tournament to have any shot at the NIT. The final two games this week are Quad 1 and Quad 3.

Quad 1 (1-9)
H #12 Purdue - L
A #12 Purdue - L
H #14 Illinois - L
A #14 Illinois - L
A #20 Ohio State - L
H #21 Wisconsin - L
N #25 Providence - L
A #33 Michigan State - W
A #37 Michigan - L
A #43 Wake Forest - L

Quad 2 (2-3)
H #33 Michigan State - L
H #44 Indiana - W
A #90 Maryland - W
A #94 Penn State - L
A #104 Minnesota - L

Quad 3 (2-2)
H #83 Rutgers - W
H #90 Maryland - L
H #94 Penn State - L
A #164 Nebraska - W

Quad 4 (7-0)
H #164 Nebraska - W
N #215 Georgia - W
H #254 New Orleans - W
H #255 High Point - W
H #323 NJIT - W
H #348 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #355 Eastern Illinois - W
 
We are now in a heated battle with Washington State for last in the KenPom luck ratings. We went down 2 spots in a week.

We are at -0.133 and WS at -0.139.
I am embarrassed to admit this, but I really didn't understand what the Luck rating meant until now.
To me it had always been just a number, with no meaning, other than if it is negative and near the bottom of the overall group, then your team is doing a bad job winning games relative to expectations.

However, what it actually means is the following...

It tells you the difference between the teams actual winning percentage and Ken Pomeroy's expected winning percentage, based on his analytics of the team's performances.

As gato pointed out, our current Luck rating is -0.133, 2nd worst of the 358 teams.
Our current winning percentage is 0.48148. (13 wins in 27 Div 1 games)
Subtract our luck rating from that number to get our expected winning %.
Basically 0.615.

So Ken Pomeroy is saying that we should be either 17-10 or 16-11.

He doesn't assign blame.
 
Has the team quit on Collins?
We were pretty listless against Purdue - but thats a tough situation - they're better than us and our home crowd was dominated by the Purdue crowd..

Maybe we can blame the debacle at Minnesota on getting stuck at OHare and arriving late...
Thats a valid excuse, perhaps.

Hopefully we come out full of energy against the Huskers on Tuesday.

If not, the team has quit.
The team has quit??? Give examples. Try at least one!
 
Hard for anything to shift the needle at this point, as NU stomping Minnesota only moved us up two spots to #82. At 14-15, NU will have to win at least two games in the conference tournament to become postseason eligible, but at this point I think the only way NU will play any postseason games, short of buying their way into the CBI, would be to win the whole thing.

Quad 1 (1-10)
H #13 Purdue - L
A #13 Purdue - L
H #14 Illinois - L
A #14 Illinois - L
A #15 Iowa - L
H #21 Wisconsin - L
A #22 Ohio State - L
N #26 Providence - L
A #31 Michigan - L
A #39 Wake Forest - L
A #40 Michigan State - W

Quad 2 (2-3)
H #40 Michigan State - L
H #44 Indiana - W
A #89 Maryland - W
A #93 Penn State - L
A #107 Minnesota - L

Quad 3 (4-2)
H #76 Rutgers - W
H #89 Maryland - L
H #93 Penn State - L
H #107 Minnesota - W
H #138 Nebraska - W
A #138 Nebraska - W

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #213 Georgia - W
H #257 New Orleans - W
H #261 High Point - W
H #332 NJIT - W
H #350 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #356 Eastern Illinois - W
 
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Hard for anything to shift the needle at this point, as NU stomping Minnesota only moved us up two spots to #82. At 14-15, NU will have to win at least two games in the conference tournament to become postseason eligible, but at this point I think the only way NU will play any postseason games, short of buying their way into the CBI, would be to win the whole thing.

Quad 1 (1-10)
H #13 Purdue - L
A #13 Purdue - L
H #14 Illinois - L
A #14 Illinois - L
A #15 Iowa - L
H #21 Wisconsin - L
A #22 Ohio State - L
N #26 Providence - L
A #31 Michigan - L
A #39 Wake Forest - L
A #40 Michigan State - W

Quad 2 (2-3)
H #40 Michigan State - L
H #44 Indiana - W
A #89 Maryland - W
A #93 Penn State - L
A #107 Minnesota - L

Quad 3 (4-2)
H #76 Rutgers - W
H #89 Maryland - L
H #93 Penn State - L
H #107 Minnesota - W
H #138 Nebraska - W
A #138 Nebraska - W

Quad 4 (6-0)
N #213 Georgia - W
H #257 New Orleans - W
H #261 High Point - W
H #332 NJIT - W
H #350 Fairleigh Dickinson - W
H #356 Eastern Illinois - W
That 1-10 tells a pretty clear story. Thanks for pulling it together.
 
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