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Why? Do you really think NCAA football is about the betterment of all its athletes? If so, I have a bridge that’s for sale near Long Island. PM me for details and a price.
Made me say what? I didn’t say take their scholarships or anything. But if they don’t make any money via the NIL - just like our fourth string QB or backup OL - then that’s fine by me.Made you say it.
Made me say what? I didn’t say take their scholarships or anything. But if they don’t make any money via the NIL - just like our fourth string QB or backup OL - then that’s fine by me.
It's certainly a very unfavorable trade for the B1G. However, it beats trading OSU for nothing.I don’t see a UVA/OSU trade quite as favorably as you so.
The answer to that is not a who, but a what.And who determines exactly what everyone’s market value is?
The answer to that is not a who, but a what.
For the answer to that question, read Adam Smith’s “An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations”.
Or maybe @MRCat95 can give you some footnotes.
You do realize that that's just a NCAA made up term, right?The players are supposed to be student-athletes. I would have gladly paid football in exchange for tuition, books, room, board, and stipend. How much is that package worth per year?
College football is minor leagues for the NFL. My guess is it will breakdown like baseball with AAA, AA and A.
The keys will be eyeballs and seats in the stands. For the B10 area, I think PSU, OSU, Mich and Wiscy make AAA. Add in ND and that covers the Mideast and Midwest.
The rest of the B10 becomes AA. The MAC is single A.
As to the players, I hope they get what they can. In football and bball the athletes are overwhelmingly African American. Title IX requires equal number scholarships for women and men, In other words, the blood and sweat of these athletes pay for rich white girls to play field hockey and other sports. If you watch these sports on B10 network, there are not too many women of color. I say rich because if you have a girl who is playing a high level to get a scholarship, you are forking out $7 to $10k a year on training , coaching, equipment and travel. In other words, you got to have some dollars to fork out. My daughter was at a 3 day tourney in Indy this month which was a quick $1k. The new payment methods allow the athletes who generate all the revenue for the athletic programs to get paid. I do not see how anyone can be against it since they are supporting everyone. Further, in life, those who generate the most fund for an entity get paid the most. Why should colllege sports be different?
So from your point of view it's all about money. Everything is about money now. Life is just one big money grab for anyone who can pull it off. Sad. Really sad.Why? Do you really think NCAA football is about the betterment of all its athletes? If so, I have a bridge that’s for sale near Long Island. PM me for details and a price.
No, I don't realize that. Please enlighten me.You do realize that that's just a NCAA made up term, right?
The new payment methods allow the athletes who generate all the revenue for the athletic programs to get paid. I do not see how anyone can be against it since they are supporting everyone. Further, in life, those who generate the most fund for an entity get paid the most. Why should colllege sports be different?
You do realize that that's just a NCAA made up term, right?
No, I don't realize that. Please enlighten me.
Gossip like this is always adorable, and reminds me of the saying (which I learned based on college football conference conjecture, actually)...I’ve got a buddy who lives near Columbus and is naturally an OSU fan. He said he’s heard that OSU is in “double secret” discussions with SEC leadership about joining their ranks. This would allow them to keep their annual rivalry game with Michigan and also create a true super conference with the addition of UT and OU.
Vanderbilt hasn’t been truly competitive for decades, so if they want to keep it as a nice round number (16 including UT and OK), well they would be the logical team “to be replaced”.
No word yet on if Clemson is interested in leaving the ACC for the SEC, but that’s where my imagination continued. In the NIL age, this is a logical outcome to be expected. If this is true and my buddy’s right, at least the B1G will be competitive again.
Reminds me of an adage which I learned from @CoralSpringsCat : if you really wanted to know, you’d have a subscription to the Rock.Gossip like this is always adorable, and reminds me of the saying (which I learned based on college football conference conjecture, actually)...
Those who truly know, don't say anything.
Those who say, don't truly know anything.
Gossip like this is always adorable, and reminds me of the saying (which I learned based on college football conference conjecture, actually)...
Those who truly know, don't say anything.
Those who say, don't truly know anything.
"Pay the workers!"Hah! Good luck with that! Has willy ever explained anything?
Hah! Good luck with that! Has willy ever explained anything?
I don’t know man, you’re the one arguing for wide scale regulation in the face of the free market and keeping people away from earning their market worth.Me, socialist ??? Are you kidding. I'm about as far from a socialist as you can get.
But this issue has nothing at all to do with socialism. It's about collegiate amateurism vs professionalism. As that line continues to get blurred, or even eliminated, as is currently trending, fans will ultimately regret the tremendous changes that will happen to the sport on the field.
Part of a case in the 1950s/60s. NCAA invented the term to avoid paying workers comp for a guy that died playing football at Texas A&M. Walter Byers invented it and bragged about it.Hah! Good luck with that! Has willy ever explained anything?
I already owned up to it.I don’t know man, you’re the one arguing for wide scale regulation in the face of the free market and keeping people away from earning their market worth.
You have, some others haven’t.I already owned up to it.
https://northwestern.forums.rivals.com/threads/i-might-just-stop-caring.57608/post-847552
Is the scholarship compensation? Do you attach a monetary value to it?Made me say what? I didn’t say take their scholarships or anything. But if they don’t make any money via the NIL - just like our fourth string QB or backup OL - then that’s fine by me.
1) if the Taj MahFitz wasn’t considered compensation by the brilliant economic minds on this very board, then no. Scholarships are not compensation.Is the scholarship compensation? Do you attach a monetary value to it?
The Taj MahFitz isn't given to players individually. The scholarship is. The scholarship is his.1) if the Taj MahFitz wasn’t considered compensation by the brilliant economic minds on this very board, then no. Scholarships are not compensation.
Part of a case in the 1950s/60s. NCAA invented the term to avoid paying workers comp for a guy that died playing football at Texas A&M. Walter Byers invented it and bragged about it.
When it comes to Willy, it’sSo VW is correct. Willy didn't explain it, you did.
Willy is too cool for offering explanations.
It is very hard to argue with your excellent points. Some years back, I thought a free ride was sufficient, but some discussion with some ex-college athletes changed my mind. I am in favor of payments to the players considering the revenue they generate and the physical damage to their bodies. Unless there are some immediate changes to Title IX, the current set of circumstances is the only way to compensate them. Further, many universities use these kids. I agree that some of the athletes will be used and will become car wrecks, but I see no reason why the athletes should not be able to use the university.I'm against it for the division it may create within a team/school as well as the distracting time demands in securing contracts, making endorsements. etc. instead of focusing on what they're going to college for - studying to earn a useful degree. They already have some huge time demands on their hands.
They're being hit with "real life" stuff when I think many will be too immature to handle it responsibly.
To quote a former President: this Cat GETS it.The genie is out of the bottle and there is no putting it back.Nothing would surprise me as far as schools changing conferences,allegiances or really anything else.Kevin Warren and his team better be on their toes or the Big could be holding the bag.Heck the Big could add teams as well.Top teams.Chicago,The Big Ten Network are some attractive assets the Big has to offer.2or 3 super conferences,who knows where the dust will settle when all is said and done.Do I feel uneasy about all of this absolutely,change many times is unsettling,but as we all know college football has been gigantic business for a long time.I think the kids deserve to profit from their endeavors.How the money is distributed,who receives what that will be determined.I just hope this whole thing is policed well and everyone can enjoy this great game of college football.
The scholarship may or may not lead to a diploma, which has no inherent monetary value.The Taj MahFitz isn't given to players individually. The scholarship is. The scholarship is his.
Did you have to pay for it? Even if the student doesn't graduate, he still takes classes and earns credits for them. He can return later like MJ and finish his degree.The scholarship may or may not lead to a diploma, which has no inherent monetary value.
Let’s say I wanted to sell my Northwestern education on the free market. What would I get for it? What is its monetary value?
But you paid for some of it, so it was clearly of some monetary value to you to make the transaction.Not all of it.
Here’s what my buddy said the new conference alignment would look like. OSU is insisting they not be placed in the East as a precondition for obvious reasons.OSU is never going to leave the Big Ten unless cfb blows up or something.
That doesn’t mean that it actually has monetary value. Do students paying $250K for degrees in art history receive a fair trade by any objective measure?But you paid for some of it, so it was clearly of some monetary value to you to make the transaction.
He's still full of shit but in the "full of shit" race, he takes a back seat to youHe’s an honorable guy. I’m pretty sure he was a Boy Scout. But all of this info is off the record, on the QT, and very hush-hush - so I understand why you feel that way.
Unintended consequence - demolished team morale?Made me say what? I didn’t say take their scholarships or anything. But if they don’t make any money via the NIL - just like our fourth string QB or backup OL - then that’s fine by me.