When will the stupidity of this discussion end?
Let me a take a different direction. I'll go with the program and ignore:
* The tournament bid
* The tournament win
* The two top 100s this year
* Carmody's first eight years
* Carmody's talent had far more to do with Hardy
* Carmody teams NEVER defended or rebounded
* He ran off any number of players
* Holy Cross has yet to finish above .500 in the PATRIOT LEAGUE. Yes, they had the tournament bid. But if we're going to call the NU tournament bid lucky ...
We know all of these points that are so conveniently pushed aside when "we don't want to have the discussion."
I'll ignore all of these and ask this question: If Carmody was given a new five year contract in 2013, would NU be finishing a new area this year?
Even IF his team made a tournament, NO WAY. Carmody never wanted to play the game, and people wouldn't have stepped up so quickly.
And before anyone starts with the Phillips conspiracy theories, ask yourself how many more opportunities Carmody needed. This wasn't simply a problem on the court. And Carmody didn't know how to run a program at a Power 5 level.
It's not just an on-court thing. This program is FAR ahead of where it was in 2013.
Now, can we stop playing Freebird and move on to a different tune.