A poor teammate is often called a “locker room cancer”. Come on yourself.Comparing Kopp to cancer? Come on.
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A poor teammate is often called a “locker room cancer”. Come on yourself.Comparing Kopp to cancer? Come on.
Beran has a long way to go, but I don't think he's reached his upside yet.
I don't know that Kopp's teammates saw him that way.A poor teammate is often called a “locker room cancer”. Come on yourself.
Let’s just say, you don’t know what you don’t know.I don't know that Kopp's teammates saw him that way.
I have seen symptoms of "cancer" on certain teams before, with behavior spilling out of the locker room onto the court (supposed teammates not getting along). I didn't see any evidence of this with Kopp.
It's not about US, it is about him.Just thought this topic needed its own thread. Lot's of interesting insight analysis in a few different places. My quick take is that this move was all about winning. There was a lot of speculation (me included) that he wanted to go back home to Texas. But now it seems as if the losing streaks just wore on him. I wish him well and hope he doesn't go for 30 against us.
True, but I'm not going to compare a player to cancer based on what I don't know.Let’s just say, you don’t know what you don’t know.
And I did based on what I know. Go figure.True, but I'm not going to compare a player to cancer based on what I don't know.
"I think the Big Ten will see a different player," he said. "Someone who's a versatile player offensively and more than a shooter. Playing in the open court, playing in ball screens and more swagged up overall, to be frank." - Miller Kopp
And I did based on what I know. Go figure.
There’s something there. You can declare anything you want.Is there anything there or are you just blowing smoke?
I postulated that Kopp may have been at odds with other guys on the team, but acknowledged that I was just guessing...
At least provide some context, otherwise I'll declare that Buie, Nance and Coach Collins are all locker room pariahs.
And what, pray tell, do you know?And I did based on what I know. Go figure.
Just because you can, does that mean you should?You can declare anything you want.
That's where a stud PG like McIntosh comes in to distribute the ball. Kopp wasn't the problem; the missing puzzle piece is the problem.He's just never had the speed/quickness/skills to be the #1 go to guy against B1G caliber defense. And really, that is usually the problem for whichever NU player is currently our best offensive tool.
That’s for me to know.And what, pray tell, do you know?
Just because you can, does that mean you should?
Pretty rich coming from the guy who parachuted into this board 2 months ago to declare that Matt Nicholson was going to transfer because Collins didn't play him.Sounds more like sour grapes than actual knowledge.
People who claim to "know" things but then can't provide any context... no reason whatsoever to believe that person.
Sounds more like sour grapes than actual knowledge.
People who claim to "know" things but then can't provide any context... no reason whatsoever to believe that person.
Nice revisionist history.Pretty rich coming from the guy who parachuted into this board 2 months ago to declare that Matt Nicholson was going to transfer because Collins didn't play him.
I established the possibility that Kopp might have been a bad fit in the locker room before you even thought about bringing it up.Easier to ignore and/or sweep aside things you don't want to listen to than to actually consider the possibility they might be true.
There's literally additional reporting on the The Rock right now. That reporting happens to match things I've heard secondhand from friends who have very direct ties. I couldn't prove it in court, but that doesn't really matter here.Sounds more like sour grapes than actual knowledge.
People who claim to "know" things but then can't provide any context... no reason whatsoever to believe that person.
It’s actually libel.I established the possibility that Kopp might have been a bad fit in the locker room before you even thought about bringing it up.
I'm asking you for info and you are refusing. That is weak, when you are essentially slandering a player.
I established the possibility that Kopp might have been a bad fit in the locker room before you even thought about bringing it up.
I'm asking you for info and you are refusing. That is weak, when you are essentially slandering a player.
Could you point me to said "reporting"?There's literally additional reporting on the The Rock right now. That reporting happens to match things I've heard secondhand from friends who have very direct ties. I couldn't prove it in court, but that doesn't really matter here.
"Miller Kopp down to three" thread. Lou has some info there for those interested.Could you point me to said "reporting"?
I'd been hearing a lot of the same things about the locker room late in the season and I'm nowhere near close to the basketball program.
Well... if you're handing out praise, let it be known that I was an a$$hole on this thread too!I hear even less than that, but locker room problems aren't all that unusual, especially when a team is losing a ton. It's interesting though that one of the big ideas people were championing here to suggest that NU will be much better next year was that everyone was coming back. Now that not everyone is coming back, the rationale for why NU will be much better is necessarily changing. The only thing I know is that I appreciate 112 owning up to his sour grapes.
Then maybe it should stay on The Rock.There's literally additional reporting on the The Rock right now. That reporting happens to match things I've heard secondhand from friends who have very direct ties. I couldn't prove it in court, but that doesn't really matter here.
NU athletics is a small world, and many of the posters here have access to our athletics programs from various roles and relationships over the years. Our members have had, and will continue to have, inside knowledge on a fairly regular basis, but we won't necessarily divulge it on a message board in order not to burn anyone for no reason.
Anyone is welcome to believe what they want, but our longstanding posters know who has info and who's just speculating. There's nothing wrong with speculating, but let's not go after people who often have good reasons for not getting into specifics on a public forum.
Read that. He wants to do more than catch and shoot. Also it was not a surprise for coaches and players he transferred."Miller Kopp down to three" thread. Lou has some info there for those interested.
Rock Shaming seems to be a new thing around here. I'm perfectly cool with premium content being behind the wall, but I hope this isn't a move to make the entire site a gated community.Then maybe it should stay on The Rock.
...which is why, up until just now, posters were respecting Lou's reporting and having those discussions on The Rock.Then maybe it should stay on The Rock.
Read that. He wants to do more than catch and shoot. Also it was not a surprise for coaches and players he transferred.
Can easily spell problems in locker room. Can easily just mean he was unhappy. Or both. Which one is it?
Did not ask for sources. Just curious to know if the locker room was tumultuous or just sad. If it was not one, the other, or both, then our players have no heart.Again, sorry, I'm not going to get into specifics I learned in confidence on a public board. I've made plenty of commentary on this transfer both here and on The Rock, which I stand by. I think the whole situation sucks, but the bottom line is Kopp is gone, and I hope his former coaches and teammates use it as a rallying cry.
Not really but still hoping. The longer he waits to announce his decision, it makes NU more of a possibility.Do you have some insider knowledge there, willy?
Where are they going? Oh, nowhere. Got it!Man, I'd hate to see your evaluations of Nance and Beran when they hit the road.
It's not about shaming, it's about respecting the work that Louie does, which is not free to provide. I'd encourage you (and anyone else) to join The Rock if you're able, because you'd enjoy the information and discussion there.Rock Shaming seems to be a new thing around here. I'm perfectly cool with premium content being behind the wall, but I hope this isn't a move to make the entire site a gated community.
Frankly, there is nothing worse than game threads and the hot takes some folks have. I sometimes read them after a game is over just to get a few laughs at the insanity that transpires in the heat of the moment, but stay away otherwise. They make the Rant Board look tame by comparison.......there won't be anything worth talking about on the 330 days a year there aren't football and basketball game threads.
Thanks for taking the time to explain that.It's not about shaming, it's about respecting the work that Louie does, which is not free to provide. I'd encourage you (and anyone else) to join The Rock if you're able, because you'd enjoy the information and discussion there.
Most Rivals sites have an overwhelming majority of their content behind paywalls. We're one of the few that don't. I was surprised a few years ago when I went seeking viewpoints from other schools on game weeks and found that I largely couldn't access their content without a separate subscription. In this case, there are largely parallel discussions on a big story, but when the discussion on this board veers into "you can't back it up!" when the proprietor of the site has published information along the lines of what people are referencing on the paid board, we've reached an impasse.
The fastest way to kill the free board will be for members who don't subscribe to The Rock pushing off discussion to the premium forum, because there won't be anything worth talking about on the 330 days a year there aren't football and basketball game threads.
Frankly, there is nothing worse than game threads and the hot takes some folks have. I sometimes read them after a game is over just to get a few laughs at the insanity that transpires in the heat of the moment, but stay away otherwise. They make the Rant Board look tame by comparison.......